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From: jvif@spacelab.net (John Velez)
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 02:28:19 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 08:44:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Richard Motzer and CSICOP

>From: xalium@netwrx.net [Tom King]
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Richard Motzer and CSICOP
>Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:18:34 EST

Tom King writes,

>Yes, its true the UFO researcher Richard Motzer was at the meeting for
>>only a few minutes on 5-14-97. I believe most researchers laughed at this
>>idea the sightings known as event #3 were flares.

<snip>

I don't know if you read my last post, but I have asked him to tell us how
he arrived at his conclusion. Let's give all a chance to see why he thinks
as he does and how he justifys his finding. If it's BS we'll (all) smell it
right away.

>Richard was claiming he shot my footage and was taking credit for the
>>video.(Sound familar?). I jumped Richard about this after I found out
>what >happened and he claimed it was an accident. I have the news copy to
>prove >he did this.(snip)

Tommy, it's important to publish a copy of this news piece. If this guy
Motzer has done (any) of the things that you accuse him of, the rest of the
UFO community needs to know about it. This is as serious an accusation in
terms of affecting Motzer's future in UFOlogy as anyone can level. If the
news copy bears you out, then this guy is finished, at least in terms of
his credibility and future as a UFO investigator. If we don't police
ourselves then we're all just dead in the water, and sitting ducks for
opportunists. (Although many would rightfully argue that such is the
current state of affairs in UFOlogy anyway! <G>)

>4. March 13, 1997, UFOs over Phoenix. Richard was busy collecting all the
>videos he could on these sighting. He then sat on all these videos and
>didn't share any copies with local researchers. Then we start hereing FOX
>and other networks have all the footage less than 2 weeks after the 13th.
>Apparently he was sending the footage to the networks because hes the only
>one who has all the footage. He has said several times to the media that
>these lights couldn't have been flares.

Shades of Dr Greer! This is one that really ticks me off because one of
the things that I believe strongly in (I know that you do as well) is the
open exchange of information and any evidence connected to this phenomenon.
It is 'news' that affects us all, and the hoarding of information is
tantamount to supression and should be treated as such. Again, if true,
this man should be drummed out of the corp. Strip him of his UFO books and
buttons! <G>

>Many people in Phoenix are wondering who this guy is? Where did he come
>from? And, is he in CSICOP?

After hearing all of this, I'd like to know who Mr Motzer is myself! Please
keep us all posted as to the 'doings' in Phoenix, and keep us informed
about developments connected to the mass sighting. More folks than you
would imagine are interested and paying close attention.

John Velez
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Personal comment.

The e-mail that was originally circulated by Ed Komarek re: Phoenix, was
the worst report of information to come down the pike since Christ left
Chicago. No names, no info, no nothing, other than rumor, speculation and
another opportunistic shot at the character of his 'favorite meat', Kal
Korff, the **Karla of the Intelligence Community according to Ed.

I asked them (both) publicly to please leave me out of their (e-mail)
mutual smearfest. Much to his credit Kal Korff has respected my wishes in
this matter and I want the man to know that I appreciate it.

Ed Komarek hasn't quite gotten the message. Ed, please,...unsubscribe me to
your (completely unsolicited) private e-mailings. I already have quite
enough on my plate without having to push off all the 'beans' you keep
piling onto it!

No disrespect or insult intended, but I have rarely found anything of real
value in them anyway! You're a lot like a politician that way, you talk a
lot but never manage to say much. I guess some folks would consider that a
'marketable commodity', I do not. <G>

Speaking strictly for myself,

Citizen Velez

** Ref's to: "Tinker, tailor, soldier, spy!" John Le Carre. An excellent
spy novel to add to your summer reading list. Le Carre *is* a bit long
winded but this cat can spin one hell of a yarn, a real page turner. :)

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