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From: Don Ledger <dledger@istar.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:47:33 +0100
Fwd Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:18:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Aliens are they real?


> From: ad897@freenet.durham.org (John Koopmans)
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Aliens are they real?
> To: updates@globalserve.net (UFO UpDates - Toronto)
> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:32:16 -0400 (EDT)

> > I've recently been pondering the thought that the folks who really
> > should have UFO detectors are those who claim they're currently the
> > subjects of ongoing abductions by aliens.

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> I know several abductees, and most of them have already had more than
> enough tampering with their lives, without having to wear, or be
> surrounded with these gadgets. They don't need more proof - they've
> already had more than they can handle. Also, the abductions don't
> necessary happen on a regular or predictable schedule. It could be months
> or even years between abduction experiences. That is an unacceptable
> length of time to be surrounded by these gadgets.

Stanton Friedman once said, "What's in it for the witnesses?" Meaning
after they bare their soles and identities to us they can expect
notoriety, derision and ridicule. They are pestered by investigators,
the press and documentary interests. Many of them bear this burden
with, I feel, a great deal of courage and patience and a few show
extraordinary forbearance and willingness to see their encounters and
attempts by investigators, through to the end. I have to agree with
John that wiring up some of these people may be unacceptable and
other methods may be necessary.

Snipped


> One of the abductees did try out some electronic equipment for a few weeks
> but, obviously no experiences occurred during that short time. It has
> even been said that abductions won't occur while monitoring equipment
> is around.
> John Koopmans

It is my gut feeling that if we are to believe that these abductions
are taking place (the anecdotal evidence is almost overwhelming) then
these abductors are too clever to fall for "bugs" worn by the
abductees or other such electronic surveillance (sp) devices. It would
almost seem that the monitoring of "abductees" would have to be done
without their knowledge since whatever they know apparently so do the
little gray guys. Since bugging a subjects bedroom, say, without
their knowledge could be disastrous and embarrassing not to mention
downright illegal this would limit monitoring to television
surveillance from outside the residence and on and on and on.

I only got involved on this thread because I gave it some thought
after reading Budd's latest and reading Honeybee's stuff on this list.
None of this is my area of expertise.
Regards,
Don Ledger