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From: Ted Viens <drtedv@freewwweb.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:54:06 -0800
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:31:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations


> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 13:17:24 -0500
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Bob Shell <76750.2717@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations

> >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:23:57 -0500
> >From: bruce maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

> >>From: c549597@showme.missouri.edu [Barbara Becker]
> >>Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 13:01:08 -0600
> >>To: ufo updates <updates@globalserve.net>
> >>Subject: Bruce Maccabee's photo 19 calculations

> >>Bruce:

> >>Our discussion has prompted me to review your calculations on
> >>photo 19. I would like your permission to have the document
> >>scanned to be uploaded here or at another (UFO dedicatd) site for
> >>review.

> >>I think there are a number of intelligent people out there who
> >>will find your work...intruiging.

> >>How about it?

> >I'm not a sure what you are referring to. Were these calculations
> >in a personal letter to you?

> >I can, of course, upload the short papers I wrote back then
> >detailing the analysis of the hood reflection and the study of
> >the road reflection. One of these was published by MUFON.

> >And, incidently, whil you're beating on Photo 19, I wonder if you
> >have any comments on a similarly important photo, #1, or on photo
> >11 (blue beam photo).

> Excuse me, but does it seem odd to anyone other than me for
> BB to ask Bruce to upload one of his papers, while refusing to
> upload hers?

> Bob

Everything about BB strikes me as odd...

Let me begin by praising Bruce Maccabee.  He has responded
forthrightly and honestly in light of the dishonest and immature
attack against his part in the Gulf Breeze investigation by BB.
He has taken much of his time to respond to the points presented
by BB only to have his work dismissed out of hand because they
violate her childlike beliefs.

We all have been mistreated by BB.  Her first messages here were
claims that she was being censored by the list.  Yet we
discovered that it was her own misgivings preventing her from
simply submitting her work.  As her work begins to generate
discussion here, she howls about copyright infringement. When the
core premises of her arguments are shown to be erroneous or
unsupported she responds derisively.  When arguments weigh
against her, she defaults to declarations of belief.  She infers
opposing investigations without producing them.  I am developing
the strange tastes of dealing with a conniving junior high school
student.

We deserve better.  We deserve fair and honest dialogue.  Bruce
deserves more for his effort than "Nyah, nyah, I am right, you're
wrong no matter what you tell me."  Maybe it is not even a
question of deserve.  Maybe it should be a matter of our
expectations.  When someone charges in here with a personal
crusade and begins to drag us in circles, I expect more of us to
stand up and say this is taking us nowhere and ask for it to
stop.

I haven't the foggiest clue as to what motivates BB.  I have
learned a lot more about Bruce Maccabee and his work on GB from
this exchange and I certainly thank BB for that.  But now it
becomes apparent that as this dialogue continues, BB's postings
only mimic her initial positions.  The archives would give me as
much...

So, Bruce, if you have presented your salient points on this
issue; if you are beginning to feel like an unwilling whipping
boy in someone elses holy war; I would certainly understand your
moving on to other issues...

Bye...  Ted..