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From: Jakes Louw <louwje@telkom.co.za>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:12:10 +0200
Fwd Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 02:10:04 -0500
Subject: Downed UFOs in Africa

Errol

Dunno if you want to make something of this mess that
I have forwarded to you?

Jakes E. Louw
louwje@telkom.co.za
+27 12 311-2668
082 923 6144

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:14:51 +0200
From: "Jan Lamprecht"  <pbs@iafrica.com>
To: PieterVN@hotmail.com,...@qit-ul-0104.telkom.co.za,
	CIS.List@qit-ul-0104.telkom.co.za
Subject: Downed UFOs in Africa -Forwarded

Pieter

I've been a friend of Jan Lamprecht's for many years, and I see
you've joined one of his mailing lists.


The attached mail mentions that you have knowledge of a UFO crash
in Nam in 1980.

I assume you know of the two alleged crashes: Lesotho and
Botswana?

On several occasions I posted requests for information regarding
these incidents on some of the top UFO mailing lists in the
world, with a view to doing some research myself, but to date
have received no concrete evidence that those crashes and
retrievals took place. In fact, my requests were met with utter
silence from the guys who claim to have the evidence (von Retyi,
Koch, etc). So I can only conclude that those incidents were
hoaxes cooked up for financial gain.

Now in no way am I saying that this what you are doing: but what
I must point out to you that if you allow your allegations to go
out on the Net, you better have something to show at the end of
the day, otherwise the entire UFO community WORLDWIDE will label
you as an unreliable source.

Cheers

Jakes E. Louw
louwje@telkom.co.za
+27 12 311-2668
082 923 6144

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 05:59:41 +0200
From: "Jan Lamprecht"  <UFO-1@qit-ul-0104.telkom.co.za>
To: pbs@iafrica.com,...@qit-ul-0104.telkom.co.za,
	CIS.List@qit-ul-0104.telkom.co.za
Subject: Downed UFOs in Africa

Hi All,
Pieter Van Niekerk has joined our list. I've been saying that
there's no evidence of downed UFOs in Africa. I met Pieter
working at one of my clients. He used to belong to the SA UFO
society but left because he was not happy with standard of it's
work. He told me he investigated abductions and other UFO
sightings. He promised to let me view Ray Santili's autopsy video
in full. (I've seen part of it).

Anyhow, he says his father was in Military Intelligence in the SA
Army and that in the EARLY 1980's a UFO was shot down over
Namibia. He says his father handled the documentation and that
the SAAF and USAF came within a matter of hours and picked up the
UFO and took it to the USA and cleaned up the desert so that
there was not one iota of evidence of a UFO crash.

Well, you all know of my opposition to this story, but what can I
say? I'll ask him to tell me some more.

Now he says that the incident which his Dad knew about took place
in the EARLY 1980's in NAMIBIA. Now the other versions speak
about Botswana, and/or Namibia in the LATE 1980's (1989). So I'm
wondering if Pieter's story is the *ORIGINAL*?

It's very strange indeed.

I'll ask Pieter to get us more evidence and to tell me more.

I doubt 2 or 3 UFOs were shot down. But did we really shoot a UFO
down? Truly, I don't believe we have the laser weapons. But such
testimony from a guy who claims his FATHER handled all the
OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION is just too good to resist. It blows my
mind.

Some of you may wish to forward this to various UFO lists because
I know that many people have expressed an interest in the
matter.

Pieter can be contacted directly at: PieterVN@hotmail.com.

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Pieter,

Please cc copies of your replies to me for forwarding to this and
other lists. I'd like to hear what you have to say on the matter.

All,
Bloody bizarre! (It seems we South Africans committ too many
crimes - and now Interplanetary Murder! <blush> <shame>)