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From: Dave Ledger <dledger@cableinet.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 03:01:38 +0000
Fwd Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:32:39 -0500
Subject: Re: UFOs in Scotland

Hi Errol and group,

I have been getting so much mail asking for a re-post of our
sighting from August 16th. I have decided to re-post the report
with a small update for anyone that is interested. I hope that
this is ok as the original post was shown on this List in
August.

>No probs. I'd be happy to share it with you. Here is a copy of
>the original two reports that were sent out to the net. The first
>report is a little confused as it was literally written an hour
>or so after the sighting itself. The second report was written a
>short time later with a much more collective attitude and a
>little more thought, as opposed to pure excitement.

>>Sighting in Fife!        August sat 16th 12:45-1:30 am GMT.

On this morning of August 16 1997 at approximately 12:45 am, my
girlfriend and I decided to go out to our back yard to look at a
bright light, we have been seeing for the past three weeks. The
light in question had been seen on numerous occasions before, and
I had personally thought it to be a bright planet, as it always
seems to be in the same vicinity.

As we were looking at the bright light, I happened to glance to
my left just above the roof of the flats, to see a small star
like object clearly gliding across the night sky. It seemed to
be moving quite fast as we compared it to the edge of our block
of flats and also with the real stars in the sky. In the space of
about 30 seconds we witnessed the object traverse from our left,
above our heads, to the middle of the sky where the object
suddenly came to a standstill.

At that point my girlfriend ran to get some witnesses while I
stayed to view the now stationary object. Whilst my girlfriend
was away I witnessed a shooting star-like discharge racing across
the sky in the vicinity of the stationary object. Frightened that
I would witness all this phenomena alone, I knocked on my
neighbour's door and he and his son then came outside and started
looking at the object I had been observing. By this time there
seemed to be an awful lot of activity, and my girlfriend returned
with another three witnesses, whom I can honestly say were a
little more than sceptical, however, after witnessing what
appeared to be multiple objects or one object moving extremely
fast, the scepticism disappeared.

By now there were seven people present and all witnessing the
same phenomena, there appeared to be many shooting star like
objects traversing in the direction of the moving UFOs, almost
like they were being fired upon, this seemed to strike up a
feeling of excitement and an intense dis-belief amoungst our
group of spectators.

Our emotions by this time ran so high we awoke two of our
neighbours who suddenly appeared on their balcony enquiring as to
what all the commotion was about. They soon saw what had us all
riveted and perhaps a little frightened.

The sky tonight, was very clear and the visibilty was very good
apart from a very thin broken cloud away to the south West of
where we were looking. At times the star like objects seemed to be
almost popping in and out from behind the thin cloud. But the
objects were most clearly seen against the clear black starry
sky.

The UFOs viewed, showed no signs of any exterior lights
whatsoever,however during the sighting a plane had taken off from
Edinburgh airport and could be seen above the River Forth with
its red and green flashing lights clearly visible. The obvious
difference in altitude between the plane and the UFOs was more
than apparent, the UFOs seemed the size of a pearl compared to
the aircrafts size which suggests perhaps the UFOs were either
just outside or perhaps inside the Earth's atmosphere.

This event lasted for approximateley 45 minutes. There were nine
witnesses who saw all we have stated, we do not have the means of
finding out if anything was reported to or seen by the military
or the Airforce, who have a base nearby, but we would love to
hear from anyone who has or knows of anyone with information on
this sighting. Any info on this subject is greatly appreciated.
(E-Mail me on DLedger@cableinet.co.uk) note: this is a new e-mail
address since the original post.

>>UNIDENTIFIED  FLYING  OBJECTS  SIGHTED OVER KIRKCALDY, FIFE IN
SCOTLAND!

We recently submitted a brief report of a UFO sighting, but now we
have had a chance to come to terms with what we saw that night,
here is a more detailed account of events.

Firstly we would like to admit first hand, that we are classed as
working class people, and to certain individual opinions this may
discredit our statements right away, but we hope there are people
out there who will believe us, and understand we are perfectly
intelligent and sane people.

On the morning of Saturday 16th August at around 12:45am, myself
and my partner decided to let the dogs out onto the back garden,
and also to observe an object in the sky, that we have
continuously encountered over the last three week period, my
partner believes it to be a planet (perhaps Venus), and appears
like a very large bright star,that seems to disappear before
dawn.

However on this particular night,we noticed that the sky was
dense and extremely clear, with only thin hazy patches of cloud
here and there. Just as my parner looked up at the sky to our
left over our shoulders, we spotted what appeared to be just
another star in the sky, until it began to move. We live in a
three storey block of flats, and we could see this starlike
object move away from the rooftops of the flats towards the south
and most probably over the River Forth somewhere, it seemed to
cut through the sky with great ease, almost like it was gliding,
but was actually going exceptionally fast, it must have been to
cover the ground it covered in such a short space of time, it
travelled three quarters of the sky in approximately 30 seconds,
when it came to a sudden halt and just remained there stationary.
At this point I decided to go for more people to witness what we
were experiencing. On my return with three other witnesses, I
discovered my partner had gone to our next door neighbour, so he
and his teenage son had come to investigate, swearing my partner
was mad. Just as the group of  seven at this point, congregated
in one huddle, what appeared to be at first, a shooting star,
projecting rapidly, towards the stationary object in a
vertical/diagonal fashion from left to right, at a great
speed, then the stationary object took off from a standstill, in
the opposite direction from its oncoming threat, and just seemed
to disappear, as did the other object,it just seemed to go up and
up until it was gone, but only this object manouvered in a
continuous line, never leaving its course, unlike the stationary
object.

We saw the same phenomenon at least five times more,only they
were not all heading south, some were heading north east and
another passed over our heads towards the west. All looked
identical, but then they were incredibly high in the sky. These
events were also observed by two new members of the group, whom
we had all awakened, due to our over excitement and disbelief of
what we were encountering.

During these proceedings, an aeroplane took off from Edinburgh
Airport,  heading South West of where we stood. Even once it was
in the sky we were able to compare the sizes of the object and
the plane,he best description we can muster, is the plane was
sized like a pea, in comparison to the object which was the
equivelant of a needle prick, which suggested to us, the  object
was flying at an exceedingly high altitude. (We are no experts,
and do not claim to be, but it is our own beliefs, they were just
inside or outside the Earth's atmosphere).

This whole experience lasted around 45 minutes (01:30 am) and was
witnessed by nine people in total, although some members came a
little later,but none of us can even begin to comprehend what we
saw, but we know we did see it. It has been suggested that
perhaps this could have been satellites, however, how can there
possibly be several satellites, in the same part of the sky,
going in different directions,at the same time, it seems very
unlikely, and what were the projectile shooting objects which
seemed to always be on the other objects pathway, on what seemed
a collision course.

We did report this incident to two newspapers,one local and the
other in a major city, but not to have our story published,
merely to try and find out if this was witnessed by anyone else,
but we were unsuccessful here, however, one reporter did
telephone us back and went out of his way to inform us, "no
meteor showers or air activity, had been reported in this area"

We then called a local radio station, after hearing on the
grapevine that somone else had called the station to report the
same incident we witnessed, but because there had been only one
caller, I think it was dismissed as a joke, that is until we
called. Then there seemed a bit of interest, he obviously could
not tell us who the other caller was, but he did provide us with
a description, of the objects witnessed by the anonymous caller,
and to our relief it was exactly the same.

On reflection, it seems that these objects, at a quick glance up
at the sky, could and probably would, be mistaken for stars, and
the flashes just shooting stars, because this was our thoughts
too, until it became a periodic occurence, hence, only occuring
when a moving object was in the vicinity.

All we ask of anyone reading this is keep an open mind, and do
not prejudge us as insane. We would really like to know if anyone
else has had similar sightings, to help us to share what we
encountered and help us come to terms with it.
E-mail us at DLedger@cableinet.co.uk

Well, that is what started it all off. We have had a few really
perculiar experiences since then which I will share with you in a
future message if you wish. The most perculiar aspect of all
this, is that since then we have had some feedback from Malcolm
Robinson of SPI Scotland, and he informed us that Edinburgh
airport had reported "absolutely no air traffic in that vicinity,
in that particular time frame, on that particular date. This was
initially great news to us, but it quickly served to deepen the
mystery. As you will have noticed in our report. We specifically
mentioned in our report that during the 45 minute sighting, we
had encountered what we thought to be an aircraft in the vicinity
of the airport at quite a low altitude with its nav. lights
clearly visible. What do you make of it?. It's left me wondering
if someones maybe telling lies. But why?

Could i also take this opportunity to say thank you to all the
List members, who have come forward with information since my
appeal for info on Scottish UFO sightings.

Good luck to the group........Dave Ledger.