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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:50:38 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 23:46:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Sims, Leir and Santilli

>From: XianneKei@aol.com
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 10:24:03 -0400 (EDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Sims, Leir and Santilli

>From: BOB SHELL <76750.2717@compuserve.com>
>Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:22:13 -0400
>Fwd Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 10:02:57 -0400
>Subject: Sims, Leir and Santilli


>> Anyway, my question in all of this is why couldn't Sims and
>> Leir just tell the simple and straight truth about how they
>> got the film instead of manufacturing this weird tale.  By


>How could we even determine who IS telling the truth: Ray or L&S?


Rebecca writes,


>I must say that Reg's apparant agreement with the story you present
>from Ray, does give Ray's story a little more credibility.

>> doing so, they have cast in doubt any results they might
>> later get from analysis of the film.  And, I note that they
>> have yet to say just who it is who is doing this analysis,
>> and just what they hope to discover from analyzing copy film.

I said it in an earlier response to this same thread. The answer to
Bob's question is, NIDS and NIDS is Bigelow! Follow the money. In all
of this there is no mention of the fact that a very large sum must have
changed hands here. The ONLY WAY that Lier&Sims (sounds like the vaudville
act that it is <G>)could have gotten samples of 'original' film from
Santilli was to throw a heap of cash at him. Santilli, IS A BUSINESS MAN
FIRST! Where would two jamokes like Lier&Sims come up with that kind of
grease. Follow the money man, it'll lead you right to Bob Bigelow. He's
the one who wants to know. I'm surprised that I'm the only one mentioning
the possible connection.

Just as a side note, I met Sims while in Roswell. The guy comes off like
a slippery used car salesman. Slicked down hair, fast talking, and very
full of shit. I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. No
reflection on his work in ufology of course. <G>

>Apparantly their integrity is so high that they can't reveal
>information like that.

Yes, Derrel Sims the "Alien Hunter" and declared "Nemisis of Mondoz" (or is
that Mendoza?) has _always_ displayed unimpeachable integrity. <EG>

>Frankly Bob, I don't understand what L&S had hoped to
>accomplish by having the film tested and giving the result
>ONLY to Ray Santilli? Did they do this just so they could
>know the results themselves? Do they think they are doing
>the UFO community any favors by analyzing the film and
>presenting the results to Ray? What exactly is to be
>accomplished by that?

>Rebecca

The answer is in the lyrics of the following jingle,

"Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-Bigelow-!"

John Velez, arousing the ire of 'Rich Men'


                              John Velez
                          jvif@spacelab.net