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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:39:43 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:31:38 -0400
Subject: {80} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network
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Hi Chris,
Are you telling me that you were actually a participant in the
alleged RAF Woodbridge UFO incident in 1980? What did you participate
in? I have had quite a few people email me and claim this, but as yet
none have come up with any evidence that would substantiate their
claims. Would you please tell me why I have been well and truly
snookered by Halt and his buddies, I wonder if you will claim Warren
was not there at that time? I would be very interested indeed to hear
your evidence and look forward to some real info from you.
All the very best..Crow & Raine
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To: <crow@crowman.demon.co.uk>
Subject: RAF Woodbridge
From: Chris Armold
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 97
Howdy, It's very strange that someone would ask me for evidence of my
participation in this non-event when no one seems compeled to require
Burroughs, Halt and whoever else to substantiate their fantastic
storys.
In any case here is some information regarding that wonderful goat
rope outside the RAF Woodbridge East Gate that December morning. I
was a member of the 81st Security Police Squadron on "B" Flight Law
Enforcement. If I remember correctly (and you must forgive me for
some memory lapse as you must realize that at the time this was not a
significant event, consequently it really hasn't been burned into my
mind, obviously had I seen flying saucers, and little green men I
doubt I would have any problems retaining the information) those of
us working were having some fun as we actually were playing music
over one of the Police Frequencies. It was very quiet and since it
was the holiday season, not much was happening. Things were pretty
laid back. In any case, we were playing Music on the Security
Frequency and the Law Enforcement freq was being used in case
someone had an emergency or actual work related transmission to make.
After midnight, John Burroughs radioed the LE desk and reported he
had seen strange lights in the outside the East Gate on RAF
Woodbridge. I was actually on RAF Lakenheath hanging out at the Law
Enforcement Desk at the time. Burroughs, who liked to draw attention
to himself, often over-reacted to situations and was considered very
unreliable, wanted to know if there were any reports of downed
aircraft.
We called the Control Tower and I even called the local Constabulary
(I can't remember the town the constabulary was in , but I do know
it was outside of Ipswich and I think it used to be an air base
during WWII, I believe the control tower was restored in the 80's)
In any case, after getting a negative reply from the British Cops,
My flight chief asked me if I wanted to head out to Woodbridge to
meet up with Burroughs and see what was up. I grabbed the back gate
keys, and took the back way to RAF W/B. I met Burroughs at the East
Gate of WB. We left our guns with the guy riding with Burroughs and
drove to the end of the long access road. We left our vehicle and
walked out there.
There was absolutely nothing in the woods. We could see lights in
the distance and it appeared unusual as it was a sweeping light, (we
did not know about the lighthouse on the coast at the time). We also
saw some strange colored lights in the distance but were unable to
determine what they were.
Eventually we found three depressions in the ground, about the
diameter of a coffee can in a triangular pattern. However, there was
no damage to trees or scorch marks, or any damage to any plant life
in the area. We noted the location of the impressions and departed
the area.
Burroughs and his partner went back to patroling RAF WB and I
returned to RAF BW. I reported what I saw to my flight chief. In the
morning several of us were asked if we would return to the area to
point out the depressions to some folks who I believe were from
environmental health. They did have some type of instrument for
detecting radiation and I believe they did detect some measure of
radiation, however I don't think it was a significant amount. During
the trip to the woods, Lt Col Halt, the deputy base commander (who's
radio call sign was "Stopper") showed up. He was intregued by the
report.
Now you must understand that we had a very interesting relationship
with Col Halt. You see he really enjoyed hanging out with the Law
Enforcement troops. He found our job interesting and I think he had
fun. He would routinely stop by the office on swing and midnight
shifts on Friday and Saturday nights and ride with patrols. I would
say he rode with me 10 or 12 times during my time at RAF BW. I
considered him a very friendly, relaxed individual and very down to
earth for an officer.
Halt essentially said he planned on coming out to the site in the
evening and one way or another several of us said we'd keep him
company. The guys I remember were John Burroughs, Adrian Bustamante,
and me. I think another officer joined Halt, I believe it was Lt
Bruce England, but I'm not absolutely certain and maybe two other
guys (Possibly one named Pennington, just can't remember for sure)
There was however, no army of USAF guys out in the woods.. No fleet
of vehicles, no towed light rigs, just a half-dozen or so of us
stomping around goofing off.
I brought a camera with me and I think Halt had a tape recorder. We
were out there for hours and someone noticed some lights in the
distance. While they often seemed to be very close in reality as we
tried to approach them we discovered they were very far away. Now
don't confuse what Ijust wrote. Little balls of light were not flying
around us or getting closer and flying away. We initially thought
the lights were closer than they actually were.
In the end I would say we were in the woods for 4 or 5 hours. The
next morning we went home and "B" flight went on break (our three
days off). Three days later we returned to work and made fun of
Burroughs for screwing up our radio fun with his bogus UFO sighting.
There were no secret debriefings, no threats, no sudden assignments.
Nothing. It was no big deal.
One of the things that is so amusing about this issue is that I
didn't leave RAF Lakenheath for another 6 or 7 months. You know,
after a few days, this entire issue was forgotten. It just was not
an issue. When I departed England, I was sent to Grissom AFB Indiana.
John Burroughs stated on some TV show in the states that after the
incident he suddenly and unexpectedly received transfer orders to
Korea, apparently to keep him quiet. Bullshit. John Burroughs
departed right on time (we had two year assignments to England) and
guess where he went: Yep, Grissom AFB Indiana. I had to spend
another tour of duty with that idiot.
Ok, so now John and I are in Indiana together. We don't know anyone
but each other, so we hung out for a few months until we got to know
other people. Guess what. He never spoke of seeing a flying saucer,
or encountering aliens. He never mentioned the incident again.
Obviously something one wouldn't likely forget had he actually seen
or encountered such phenomenons. Nope, John and I really never spoke
of the UFO thing at WB because we didn't consider it to be anything
except some unusual lights.
John and I spent two years together in Indiana. He later became a K-9
handler and eventually left the active AF for the guard or reserves
and I think he ended up in Nevada. As in England, his tour in Indiana
impressed no one. Burroughs was unreliable and very self-serving. He
always tried to do what was best for "John."
The next time I heard of the UFO thing was when I returned to England
in 1984. I had an assignment to RAF Lakenheath and two days after I
arrived I saw a story on the news (on TV) about this book called "Sky
Crash" about the alleged UFO Incident at RAF WB. I was absolutely
amazed that anyone would have cared about this non-incident. I found
a copy of the book and was absolutely blown away by the rubbish and
inaccuracies which filled the pages.
Let me say categorically that there were no space ships, no flying
saucers, no little green men, no encounters with aliens, nothing of
the sort.
Sadly many UFO enthusiasts seem to have focused more on what they
would sorely love to hear rather than what actually happened.
Unfortunitaly John Burroughs and Col Halt seemed to have recognized
that and took these "believers" for a ride. In any case, I
seriously doubt that what I tell you will have any effect on the
history of the incident.
Burroughs, Halt, Warren who ever he is, ( I have to admit I don't
remember the name Larry Warren at all? Is he using a fabricated name
to conceal his identity? If not I have to admit I honestly have no
recollection of the guy. However, if we had shared a real UFO
encounter I'm sure I would be able to recollect each second of the
incident in excrutiating detail.) have only their collective hazy
memories and conflicting accounts to rest on. Ask them why they
never mentioned me? Ask them why they never talked about it after
they left RAF BW? Ask them how much money they have made from
articles, TV, and talk shows (or whatever schemes they were able to
devise to take advantage of this incident.)
I could go on and on, but you know what, no one cares about reality.
In any case, that's my small part in this UFO story. Take care.
Chris Arnold
[UK 8]******
From: DLedger001@aol.com
Date: Sunday 17 August 1997
UFO sighting in Fife, Scotland
Saturday 16 August 1997
12:45 a.m to 1:30 a.m GMT
Firstly we would like to admit first hand, that we are classed as
working class people, and to certain individual opinions this may
discredit our statements right away, but we hope there are people
out there who will believe us,and understand we are perfectly
intelligent and sane pe ople.
On the morning of Saturday 16th August at around 12:45am, myself and
my partner decided to let the dogs out onto the back garden, and also
to observe an object in the sky, that we have continuously
encountered over the last three week period, my partner believes it
to be a planet (pe rhaps Venus), and appears like a very large bright
star, that seems to dis appear before dawn.
However on this particular night, we noticed that the sky was dense
and extremely clear, with only thin hazy patches of cloud here and
the re. Just as my parner looked up at the sky to our left over our
shoulders, we spotted what appeared to be just another star in the
sky, until it beg an to move. We live in a three storey block of
flats, and we could see this starlike object move away from the
rooftops of the flats towards the south and most probably over the
River Forth somewhere, it seemed to cut through the sky with great
ease, almost like it was gliding, but was actually going
exceptionally fast, it must have been to cover the ground it covered
in such a short space of time, it travelled three quarters of the
sky in approximately 30 seconds, when it came to a sudden halt and
just remained there stationary. At this point i decided to go for
more people to wi tness what we were experiencing. On my return with
three other witnesses, I discovered my partner had gone to our next
door neighbour, so he and his teenage son had come to investigate,
swearing my partner was mad. Just as the group of seven at this
point, congregated in one huddle, what appeared to be at first, a
shooting star, projecting rapidly, towards the stationary object in
a vertical/diagonal fashion from left to right, at a great
speed,then the stationary object took off from a standstill, in the
opposite direction from its oncoming threat, and just seemed to
disappear , as did the other object, it just seemed to go up and up
until it was gone, but only this object manouvered in a continuous
line, never leaving it s course, unlike the stationary object.
We saw the same phenomenon at least five times more, only they were
not all heading south, some were heading north east and another
passed over our heads towards the west. All looked identical, but
then they were incredibly high in the sky. These events were also
observed by two new members of the group, whom we had all awakened,
due to our over excitement and disbelief of what we were
encountering.
During these proceedings, an aeroplane took off from Edinburgh Ai
rport, heading South West of where we stood. Even once it was in the
sky we were able to compare the sizes of the object and the plane,
the best description we can muster, is the plane was sized like a
pea, in comparis on to the object which was the equivelant of a
needle prick, which suggested to us, the object was flying at an
exceedingly high altitude. (We are no experts, and do not claim to be,
but it is our own beliefs, they were just inside or outside the
Earth's atmosphere).
This whole experience lasted around 45 minutes (01:30 am) and was
witnessed by nine people in total, although some members came a little
later, but none of us can even begin to comprehend what we saw, but
we know we did see it. It has been suggested that perhaps this could
have been satellites, however, how can there possibly be several
satellites, in the same part of the sky, going in different
directions, at the same time, it seems very unlikely, and what were
the projectile shooting objects which seemed to always be on the
other objects pathway, on what seemed a collision course.
We did report this incident to two newspapers, one local and the
other in a major city, but not to have our story published, merely
to try and find out if this was witnessed by anyone else, but we
were unsuccessful here, however, one reporter did telephone us back
and went out of his way to inform us, "no meteor showers or air
activity, had been reported in this area"
We then called a local Radio Station, after hearing on the grape vine
that somone else had called the Station to report the same incident
we witnessed, but because there had been only one caller, I think it
was dismissed as a joke, that is until we called. Then there seemed
a bit of interest, he obviously could not tell us who the other
caller was, but he did provide us with a description, of the objects
witnessed by the anonymous caller, and to our relief it was exactly
the same.
On reflection, it seems that these objects, at a quick glance up at
the sky, could and probably would, be mistaken for stars, and the
flashes just shooting stars, because this was our thoughts too, until
it became a periodic occurence, hence, only occuring when a moving
object was in the vicinity.
All we ask of anyone reading this is keep an open mind, and do not
prejudge us as insane. We would really like to know if anyone else
has had similar sightings, to help us to share what we encountered
and help us come to terms with it.
World News
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[W 1]******
Source: The Southampton Press
Date: 13th May 1997
Navy Drone Debris Found In TWA 800 Wreckage
The Southampton Press reports that on May 13th, Long Island resident
Dede Muma accidentally received a fax from Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical
that was intended for the FBI's office in Calverton, Long Island. The
fax indicates that parts of a U.S. Navy missile target drone, a
BQM-34 Firebee I, may have been found in the wreckage of TWA 800.
The reason that Muma accidentally received the fax, which she passed
on to the Southampton Press, was probably because her fax number is
369-4310, while the FBI's number is 369-4301. About the fax, the
Southampton Press states:
Official documents faxed mistakenly to a Riverhead resident...show
that the Federal Bureau of Investigation...was investigating whether
pieces of debris found among the wreckage of TWA Fight 800 were the
remnants of an aerial target drone used by the U.S. Navy...
The fax shows a diagram of what appears to be a missile, along with
a breakdown of its tail section and a parts list...
The object shown in the fax was identified this week by Jane's
Information Services in Alexandria, Virginia as a Teledyne Ryan
BQM-34 Firebee I, an air or surface-launched recoverable aerial
target.
The targets are used all over the world, including within the
military "warning areas" that come as close as about 10 nautical
miles off Moriches Inlet in the Atlantic Ocean. The Navy practices
shooting down drones within the warning areas.
Ms. Muma said she called the FBI when she received the [Firebee]
fax... Ms. Muma was told to "send it along to them, [the FBI] and
destroy the original." She said she asked what would happen if she
didn't do so, and was told "we'll have to investigate you."
The source of the fax, Teledyne Ryan Aeronautical of San Diego, CA,
manufactures Firebee drones for the Navy. The "Firebee fax" Muma
received was sent from Erich Hittinger of Teledyne to FBI agent Ken
Maxwell, who was to pass it on to a Teledyne Ryan representative at
the FBI's Long Island office, Walt Hamilton.
Hittinger of Teledyne Ryan told the Southampton Press that the FBI
contacted them to ask if orange pieces of debris found at the TWA
800 crash site were from one of their Firebee drones, which are also
orange. Hamilton was then flown from San Diego to the FBI's Long
Island facility to examine the suspected Firebee debris. According
to Hittinger, Hamilton concluded that the orange metal "wasn't from
our Firebee," which suggests that it was from someone's Firebee, but
not ours.
Question: If your business depended upon government contracts, would
you be inclined to prove that the government, your employer, killed
people? It could prove to be a fatal business decision.
WITH NAVY DRONE DEBRIS IN HAND
In early May 1997, while the FBI had pieces of debris that they
suspected came from a U.S. Navy missile-drone, what was the FBI
telling us? FBI Director Louis Freeh was telling us it looks like
the crash "was a catastrophic mechanical failure." FBI agent James
Kallstrom was saying: "We see no evidence of a piece of shrapnel
from a missile or a warhead going through the plane."
On May 12th Newsday reported that with no evidence of a missile or
foul play, the FBI was planning to end its investigation by early
August. Clearly, as we have already seen with the cover-up of the
explosives residue, there is no correlation between the FBI's
public-relations front and the true story behind the scenes.
Rather than telling the truth that they suspected a Navy
missile-drone was involved, the FBI was pushing "mechanical failure"
while simultaneously intimidating Dede Muma with threats of an
investigation against her for refusing to destroy her errantly
acquired evidence of U.S. Navy culpability in the downing of TWA
Flight 800.
HEAVY MILITARY AIRTRAFFIC
The skies off the Long Island shore on July 17, 1996 were filled
with aircraft. Not only were several Air National Guard aircraft in
the air, and not only was a high-speed vehicle heading toward TWA 800
as reported by eyewitnesses, radar, and a satellite, but a U.S. Navy
P-3 Orion was flying almost directly above TWA 800 when the accident
occurred.
Furthermore, several mysterious small aircraft fitting the profile
of target drones were also seen in the area. Not only did Linda Kabot
photograph what seems to be a drone missile, but the Long Island
newspaper The Independent reported that witnesses saw a "smaller
plane" flying near TWA 800 at crash time. Indeed, a Firebee drone
looks like a "smaller plane." Even more, as I watched CNN on the
night of the crash, a pilot was interviewed who said he saw what
looked like a "stunt plane" crash into TWA 800. A Firebee looks like
a "stunt plane," and alas, it seems that they may have found parts of
this "stunt plane" in TWA 800.
Yet more, the Boston Globe reported that in addition to seeing "a
brilliant flare-like glow that streaked toward the plane," witnesses
also saw "a low-flying aircraft without lights cruising off shore."
Could that aircraft without lights have been one of the aerial target
drones, perhaps Firebees, launched from Wallops Island on July 17th?
Drones can fly for hundreds of miles.
That there was such heavy military air-traffic on July 17 should not
be a big surprise because there was a massive offshore military
war-game called "Global Yankee '96" underway at the time. Virtually
all the military assets in the air around TWA 800 that evening,
including the Air National Guard aircraft, where scheduled to be
involved in "Global Yankee '96."
With such heavy military air-traffic and wargames in the
area around TWA 800, which was on the "Betty track" (a
safe route around active naval exercise zones), is it a
surprise that over 150 witnesses saw TWA 800 being hit by a
missile-like projectile? Is it a surprise that parts of a Navy
missile-drone may have been found among the debris of TWA 800? I
would dare to say that it is not a surprise.
[W 2]******
Source: Computer Shopper
Date: September 1997
Join the alien hunt...
Caught up with all the hype from Nasa about the possibility that
primitive life may once have existed on Mars? Well, if your on the
Net, you will soon be able to join in the search for little green
men from the comfort of your armchair; early next year Internet users
will be asked to help researchers based at the Berkeley campus of the
University of California in the hunt for extraterrestrial life. The
university is co-ordinating the international Search for Extra-
Terrestrial Life (SETI) programme and needs help to analyse the vast
amount of captured data.
Basically, the researchers have fitted an instrument to the world's
largest radio telescope the Arecibo receiver placed in Puerto Rico.
They are now using this telescope to trawl the heavens for signals
that may have an intelligent origin, rather than just the cosmic
radiation noise from exploding stars, colliding galaxies and the
other celestial fireworks that the universe contains.
Given that the receiver telescope is now scanning 168 million
different radio frequencies every 1.7 seconds, it's not hard to see
why the scientists are having to resort to involving the Internet
community. To analyse their data otherwise, would require the
massive application of expensive super computers. Instead, the
Berkeley team is planning to break the data down into small portions
and post on the Internet along with an analyses programme that will
run under Windows. PC owners will be able to download a data section,
leave their PC to mull it over (users will be able to download data
sections that can be analysed in a set amount of time by a given PC
configuration) and then upload their results. The scientists hope
that within a year more than 100,000 intimate users will be
participating in the project.
[W 3]******
Source: Sky News (24 hour UK/European satellite news)
Date: Monday 25th August 1997
Sky News special report. Did we go to the moon?
This short report was broadcast throughout the day. At different
times a longer version was also broadcast. [Transcript]
Presenter: Now we've had claims that slices of slimming crisp bread
have been used to produce hoax pictures of the surface of Mars. Now
more allegations claim that the camera can lie even in space. It's
30 years since man first took the first steps on the Moon. Some space
watchers are beginning to have their doubts. Peter Sharp reports.
PS: When the giant Satan 5 rocket blasted off from Cape Canaveral to
the Moon, it carried with it the hopes and asperations of not just
the people of the United States but the entire world.
[Neil Armstrong 1969] NA: That's one small step for man, one giant
leap for mankind.
-[continued in part 3]-
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