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From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:48:19 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:20:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Statement from Ray Santilli

>Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:24:14 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Statement from Ray Santilli


>Not trying to 'derail' the thread, just utilizing an opportunity.

>As we say in NY, 'not for nothin' but Sims & Co haven't adequately
>explained the results of the testing done on the 'implants' that were
>retrieved TWO FREAKING YEARS AGO!

>They subjected some fifteen people to surgical proceedures, forgot them,
>forgot the public, and now have shifted the focus by getting themselves
>involved in the analysis of the AA film.

>Remember the Alamo! Let's not forget Pat P and all the other brave souls
>who volunteered to have these things removed and who have never recieved
>satisfactory answers. Ask Pat, he'll tell you about the 'quality' of an
>analysis performed by Sims & Co.

>Before everyone gets involved in this new AA film business I just wanted to
>remind everyone about the abductees, (that son-of-a bitch cut these people
>open to get what he was after) what they went thru, and the implants. I
>don't expect that anything (that _we'll_ ever know about) will come of this
>AA film analysis by Sims & Co. .

>John Velez, Abductee Union Rep.

There has been no release of additional information, no
statements from anyone with first hand knowledge of, nor
investigative discoveries during the past year that I'm
aware of, that justifies continuation of the debate
regarding the AA film.  Santilli has made several
comments that have been posted (with permission) to
clarify existing information, but his credibility among
most is suspect so any debate would merely rehash
subjects that have been discussed to death already.
Given the information we have on it, I would suggest
that the only thing that can be said for sure is that all
we have seen is an interesting bit of "film".

Sims and Leir have gotten involved in this tangent of the
genre for some strange reason, perhaps related to his
desire to further his connection to the Roswell event.
John didn't even mention the "Roswell Debris" that Sims
and Paul Davids presented on July 4th in Roswell as proof
positive of alien visitation.  Of course, we were once
again left with more questions than answers and the
promise of full disclosure in the future.

I would agree with John that we shouldn't get involved in
the AA "film", unless someone has new information to share
and discuss.  Sims should have disclosed the results of
his implant research to those from whom he removed them,
but I don't know what type of legal arrangements had been
made prior to the surgery, and they may give Sims total
control over the information (which in hindsight shouldn't
have been signed, if that's the case).

Just a few thoughts.

Steve