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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 02:06:17 -0500
Fwd Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:39:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Sims and Leir: Sincere?
>From: XianneKei@aol.com
>Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
>To: UpDates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Sims and Leir: Sincere?
>>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>>Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 15:48:19 -0400
>>Fwd Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:20:41 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Statement from Ray Santilli
>> Sims should have disclosed the results of
>> his implant research to those from whom he removed them,
>> but I don't know what type of legal arrangements had been
>> made prior to the surgery, and they may give Sims total
>> control over the information (which in hindsight shouldn't
>> have been signed, if that's the case).
>Wonder if they gave copies of those signed documents to the people who had
>the implants removed (if any paperwork was signed)?
>Here's a flashback of what Sims and Leir had to say a little over a year ago
>about their procedures:
>>From CNI News Sept 1, 1996
>SIMS & LEIR RESPOND TO QUESTIONS ON IMPLANT REMOVAL
(snip)
>To begin, let us update your readers with the true picture of progress
>>that has been made to date.
And after two years we're still waiting! Pat if you're reading this, could
you post some of the info we exchanged regarding the number of samples and
how they were handled and labeled. The report from NIDS amounts to nothing
more than 'scientific esperanto' and according to those who _do_ understand
it, the materials were prepared for study in a manner that would cause
unecessary waste and damage to the "implant'. According to these same
sources there were problems with the analysis itself (as performed by NIDS)
that needed answering and resolving. None of which has been done or
followed up on.
It's our own damn fault. These guys should be held accountable and they're
not! Instead, everyone publishes their every move and whatever 'new
project' they may be into and 'old business' gets lost in the shuffle. The
public does indeed have a short memory, and I'm sure slicksters like Sims
play that to their advantage. The "implants" that were surgically recovered
two years ago is a perfect example of this. If we weren't discussing the
topic in this thread very few (other than the abductees who were subjected
to the surgery) would even be thinking about it. That's a shame. It's the
reason why people like Sims & Lier get away with so much BS and are in fact
invited to speak and give interviews as if they were 'doing the job' they
said they were gonna do. In my neck of the woods if you can't 'deliver'
they fire your ass post haste and give someone else a shot at it. Why are
these nonproductive clowns treated like celebrities? I don't get it.
>First of all, we have performed only a limited number of six surgeries.
And every living ass of them should file a lawsuit demanding the results of
the testing on the objects that were removed from their bodies, and the
"implants" themselves. I don't know what the laws or legalities invoved
are, but the post surgical abductees should sue both their asses. I would
be among the first to contribute a few bucks to legal fund set up for that
purpose.
>The reason for this has to do with the strict protocols and criteria that
>we have established.
Which are?
Mumbo-jumbo, fast talking BS intended to 'keep em quiet for a while.'
Growing up in NY and being exposed to just about every type of
hustle, hustler, flim-flam, and con artist imaginable allows you to have
'heard it all' at least once by the time you reach the ripe old age of 18..
Sims has a 'minor-league rap' compared to some of the pro's I've heard. But
it's the same rap! Just rap.
Want some speculation based on 48 years of street smarts? Sims and Lier
recruited the abductees, performed the surgeries, and then sold the
recovered "implants" to Bob Bigelow for big bucks. How's that for a
"plausible scenario?" My "theory" makes a lot more sense based on their own
track record, than believing/assuming that these two slick mouthed
hucksters are legit.
>These entities have not only been reviewed
>by our own board of directors [Fund for Interactive Research in Space
>Technology -- FIRST] but have met the extreme standards of the National
>Institute of Discovery Science [NIDS, headed by Robert Bigelow]. This
>prestigious organization has agreed to fund our work in part, and adds its
>own expertise to the quality of the findings.
This is a joke. FIRST is Sims' own group. NIDS is Bob Bigelow. Big fish eat
little fish. Bigelow being the richer of the two is probably calling all of
the shots. Bigelow has been buying and hoarding all of the information on
UFO's and aliens that he can and he's been doing it for years. NONE OF IT
EVER SEES THE LIGHT OF DAY AGAIN.
Why,...I don't know, you'd have to ask Mr Bigelow. I just don't like it
that once again people are treated as a 'commodity' and nothing is done
about it. The 'perps' get away with it once again.
Let's demand some accountability from these bozos before anyone else spends
another dime at one of their lectures or other public appearances. If I had
an anti-christ to Bigelow willing to fund me I'd follow them wherever they
were booked to speak and loudly demand answers from them ad nausium until
they gave us some!
I am an abductee. I _know_ what Pat and the others have been through and
all of the attendant crap that has to be worked through, it's not easy.
Because of that we are kind of like 'brothers under the skin' so to speak
and whatever happens to them, happens to me. I stand _with them_ come hell
or high water.
Mr Sims,... all I have is words, but I will hurl them at you like spears
until you are held accountable for the results of those six surgeries. That
information belongs to the world, whether fer or agin. We have a right to
know. This is something that could eventually involve every living ass on
the planet. Our little grey friends are very busy while we all screw around
wasting valuable time like the passengers on the 'ship of fools'.
John Velez, Abductee Union Rep.
John Velez
jvif@spacelab.net
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