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From: rjke@webtv.net (Jose and Karen Escamilla)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:53:34 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:29:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 'Rods'?

>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:24:14 -0400
>From: BOB SHELL <76750.2717@compuserve.com>
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: 'Rods'?
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>Mark,

>I think you are right.  The stills and videos I've seen so
>far of these "rods" lead me to believe that we should be
>calling them bugs instead of rods.

>Bob


I don't know how plain and simple it is to show someone like Bob that
these are not insects!!!

The cave Rod clearly shows a Rod object whose torso is covered by most
of the shadow being cast by the rim of the cave, while a small section
is still in sunlight. Now if this is an insect, I want Bob to prove to
me that such a shadow can be cast across a blur and such a small thing
as an insect's torso.

Aside from this, we are going out on the field and will be shooting with
stereo camera setups so that we can get accurate measurmenets, speeds,
etc., of these objects. I can see that Bob's immediate reaction is that
we are simply mis-filming insects. I have proven that we are not, and
that these objects are very real. The next step in our investigation is
to document them using scientific methods. If Bob is any kind of a
professional, he would not have made a quick dewcision upon a few stills
from videos. He or she, if Bob Shell is just a shell for some agency,
would have asked for video tape footage to analyze.

We have evidence from 23 states, some videos, some reports, and these
have been done by independent videographers, in case Bob decides to call
this a hoax. The Rods are very real, and we will prove more about them
as we get along with the investigation. We are covering all the "pros
and cons" pertaining to debunkers such as Bob Shell, so their alternate
explanations hold "no water" when it comes to easily explaining away the
Rods phenomena.

If I seem a bit harsh on Old Bob here, it's because Bob has not shown me
his or her credentials that would lead me to believe that this person is
of sound mind and not some kook out there that claims to be something
other than what he or she really is. The obvious is shown by the stills,
this guy is obviously not too bright.

At least he could have said we were faking it. This is all Skeptical
Inquirer and the others can claim anymore...:-) They didn't even want to
touch the bug theory, because they knew I had covered that. You should
take their lead and stick to the only plausible explanation, which I can
disprove by the amounts of independent evidence we have "not videotaped"
by me.

Anyway, an end to the so called bug theories. Bob these are not
insects...we repeat...these are not insects....your observations are as
silly as your claims. They hold "no water" just an empty shell...

Sincerely,

Jose Escamilla