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From: Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:57:57 -0400 Fwd Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 11:57:57 -0400 Subject: Ford Files - 15-05-94 Lectures - Columbus, OH Date: 06-28-94 (07:24) To: ALL From: DON ALLEN Subj: MARCON LIUFON lecture sumamry Conf: F-UFO (1356) * Forwarded from "BAMA" * Originally by Jim Shaffer * Originally to All * Originally dated 24 Jun 1994, 18:47 I'm posting this for informational purposes only and do not necessarily endorse any of the opinions expressed herein! ########## The following is my personal account of two lectures held at Marcon 29 in Columbus Ohio on May 15, 1994. The first lecture I attended concerned alien abductions and the second concerned the "SMOKING GUN Evidence" about the UFO crash at South Haven Park on Long Island in New York. Before you begin reading this, you must keep in mind that this paper is strictly my opinion and should be treated as such. IOW, if you don't like it, that is YOUR opinion. Also Note that I may missed important things so don't consider this the conclusive document. [ Part I, concerning abductions, deleted. --JMS ] Part II The LIUFON presentation about "Smoking Gun" Evidence about the UFO crash on Long Island. As I entered the room I walked past Several LIUFON members and took a seat towards at the front of the room. I had a tape recorder that I was fiddling with and my Camcorder was laying on the ground at my feet. Mister Ford from LIUFON walked past me several times eyeing me suspiciously. I had a pretty good Idea that he didn't want me to video tape the event and I concluded that the next time he walked past, I would ask him if I could. He approached me and just about as I was going to speak to him he spoke "Is that a Video Camera" indicating my 8mm Sony laying in PLAIN view on the floor at my feet. I felt like saying "No it just looks like one, actually it is a just a $900 squirt gun" I did said "Yes, I wanted to ask....." I didn't get to finish my sentence because he interrupted. "Unless you want to get named in a Federal Copyright violation suit in which we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law, you will leave this room with that Camera and any other recording equipment you have." Said in the most rude and provocative manner you can imagine. Whoa, what the fuck brought that on. I said graciously "No problem". I stood up and looked down on this little pinhead of a man and said "you didn't have to be so rude, you could have just asked." I am a quite large, well-built person and I could swear this guy was thinking he made an enormous mistake, and in any other setting it might have been. Maybe it was Just wishful thinking. Anyway, As I was walking out, I heard him say to the rest of the group "We will not start the presentation with any type of recording equipment in the room, blah, blah, blah." Said in a much nicer tone. Maybe he learned a lesson. I understand the need to protect copyrights as much as any other person but I must state that this guy acted in a most unprofessional manner and was very rude. I must also state that there were no signs posted nor was their any information to be found anywhere about Cameras or Recorders, including in the program. Also, none of the other LIUFON members bothered to mention anything about this as I was walking in with my camera in CLEAR view around my shoulder. I hoofed it back 8 blocks to my car and put my camera and recorder in the vehicle and hoofed it back to the hotel. Round trip took 22 minutes and I missed the first 5 minutes of the presentation. The presentation consisted of 3 sets of slides and a video presentation. Slide Set 1: Pictures of the areas surrounding South Haven Park. Including a correction facility, a local refuse dump and Brook haven National Laboratories(which is a park in and of itself). If you saw the Fox show Conspiracies you saw parts of this same evidence. -Aerial pictures of the Park and surrounding areas -Trees uprooted, a fire cone, a radiation suit, burnt trees and vehicle tire ruts. -They showed evidence of fire roads being widened as well as two feet of dirt being removed from the surface of the roads. The park manager who supposedly knows everything about what goes on in the park didn't know anything about the roads and such. Other slides showed piles of dirt that were definitely recent. Ford also stated that soon after the pictures were taken the piles were removed. -Several slides showing piles of Sand in the middle of nowhere for no apparent reason. These sand pits included seashells and the sand is the same as sand from a nearby beach. -Several trees had been recently cut by a chainsaw. Ford Stated that this is a criminal offense and if caught results in a very large fine. -He related stories about intimidated witnesses and a minister who reported that his car had started by itself and caught on fire about 1 hour after the crash time. This minister was man-handled by the local police and was in the hospital for 4 months due to diabetes and abuse from the police. The minister is suing the Suffolk county police for 1 billion dollars. -An older lady was quested extensively by the police after the LIUFON group came by and asked questions. Ford Claims LIUFON has pictures of the police actively harassing them and other people. Nothing to this effect was shown. My comment: The bulk of this information could be shown by anyone with a camera and some time to walk around the park and fly around the surrounding area taking pictures. This information was just used to set the background and was not an indication of much other than the fact that the South Haven Park manager is probably either incompetent or covering something up. It also provided the scope of the entire event area in that the crash on Long Island was not a single crash but rather a group of 6 or 8 pods hitting the ground after being separated from a mother ship. Slide Set II This set was dedicated almost exclusively to pictures taken from a 2 minute film given to LIUFON by a secret source that Mr. Ford called "Uncle Bob" The first slides showed essentially the same pictures as shown on Fox's UFO Conspiracies. Pictures of a burning object. -Fire spectral analysis could not determine the type of object burning. It looked similar to that of metals found at Roswell. -After several minutes Mr. Ford brought up a poorly drawn picture. He said "Study this drawing and view the next picture not as black and white but as shades of grey." He displayed the next slide and after staring at it for a few moments I could see the faint outline of a body laying against a tree and another right next to it. He said "Ladies and Gentlemen, you are looking at the first pictures of Alien beings ever to be shown to the public." "Notice that the heads of these creatures are 3 to 4 times larger than our own" - I could indeed see the profile of a creature's face and the face of a similar creature next to it. Apparently the second creature had something covering its face and Mr. Ford stated that they had concluded that it was women's panty hose. -I also noticed that the first creature looked like its legs had been severed about mid thigh. Mr. Ford confirmed this after a few minutes. -These slides had been computer enhanced and were derived from an 8mm video camera that had taken the pictures at a distance of 63 feet, at night and in a group of trees. If there was a moon out, it couldn't be seen. It was difficult to determine any real details but the pictures got progressively better and something could definitely be seen. -Ford stated that there were four Aliens to be seen in the picture. I couldn't see anymore than the two apparent ones. It was very difficult to discern anything more since the quality of the pictures was so poor. -Ford also stated that one alien could be seen to move his head from side to side. He showed two frames that didn't look any different to me but he claimed that the alien had turned his head from full profile to a full frontal shot in 1 frame or 1/30 of a second. He pointed out that only insects can move that quickly. I added to myself that something that is not bound by our conventional concepts of time could do the same thing. Who knows though. I personally couldn't see any difference from one slide to the next. I also asked a man next to me and he couldn't tell either. Perhaps if I stared at it long enough, I might be able to see what Ford states was there. -This biggest shock about this part of the slide show was that the pictures were not taken at South Haven park but taken at Brook haven National laboratories. They determined this because the picture clearly shows a paved parking lot. Apparently no parking lots are paved at South Haven. Also, their "secret source" contact said they were looking in the wrong place and that the real evidence exist at Brook haven Labs. -After looking at 30 or so different enhancements of the same frames from the video tape, I got the definite impressions that something with a big head was laying there dead. Beyond this nothing else can be said. My Comment: The pictures shown definitely looked like some kind of alien. I must point out that these pictures were VERY dark and hard to identify. These were also computer enhancements of two frames of film that were taken at night. By themselves these pictures mean nothing, but taken in the context of the crash, they are somewhat believable. Slide Set III. This set was similar to the first in that it showed daytime pictures of the area around South Haven park. -It is a fact that local residents went without power for 40 minutes during the time of the UFO crash. After tracing the trajectory of one Pod from the mother ship they came to a 4 megawatt Power line running to the community. Pictures clearly showed that the lines directly in the proposed flight path of the pod had been spliced. It was very clear that this was from the UFO crash. 100 or so feet from the spliced line you could easily see where something had progressively embedded itself deeper and deeper into the forest floor. The deepest part looked to be about 4 feet down. It was also noteworthy that nearly all the vegetation in the "Flight Path" was dead or dying. -Pictures were shown of a new correctional facility built on top of a place where they had evidence that one pod had crashed. Ford concluded that little or no evidence is left and it would be impossible to prove anything from this sight. - Ford showed other evidence that indicated that one Pod had crashed in the Local Dump. "Uncle Bob" had provided a few seconds of video that show a massive explosion. Ford stated that the ship began to take off and exploded in mid air. The pictures that he showed just looked like a big ball of flame to me. Nothing decisive here. -Ford showed some daytime pictures behind the Suffolk county police department were something had recently been covered up. I wasn't sure about his point here other than that it was evident that there had been recent ground fires. Nothing very decisive here either. -Pictures of metal fragments that they claimed to have found in the surrounding areas of the UFO crashes. Ford Claimed that two of the three objects were highly radioactive. He stated that this material could not be easily bent even though it was fairly thin. He stated that the metal in these pieces was a mixture of several things: The metal was primarily Platinum with parts of Gold, Nickel, Magnesium and possibly others but I can't remember. - A picture of a "Hand" that had five fingers. The hand was burnt and the analysis by an orthopedic surgeon was that is was most likely a foot but it didn't match that of any known species on the planet. My Comment: This set of pictures didn't really do anything more than just solidify the case that something has happened at this area of Long Island. Video Tape: After Ford and some women spent 10 minutes trying to figure out how to use a VCR, they finally got the video tape running. The tape had only one interesting segment that wasn't show during the Slide part of the presentation. -We got to see in slow motion the area of the tape where the Aliens were supposedly depicted. I must state that absolutely nothing could be seen that looked even remotely like the slides that were seen earlier. -The interesting part was a segment in which an Alien head passes about 8 inches from the video camera. They had the image slowed down and you could definitely see the right half of a "Typical Gray" head. The computer enhancements of this image weren't very good but the "Slow Mo" wasn't too bad. -The video showed the Mother ship coming in and making wild movements and breaking up in to many pieces -The tape also showed the video of the pod from the Dump site attempting to take off and explode in mid-air. I must state that It just looked like one big explosion to me but a detailed analysis would probably show more. -After the video tape, they had some guy who claims to have used a metal detector and found a piece of "Alien Debris" He was later picked up by some group(He said "I was picked up by the, uh, FBI, Uh, Yah, I think it was the FBI) and asked the same question over and over again "What do you know". My opinion of this guy is that he is a lying idiot looking for attention, but what do I know? My Comment: All of the evidence combined definitely shows that something happened in this area of Long Island. I have one small problem though. The video tape that shows the ship exploding, the pod taking off and the Aliens leaning against the tree was provided by "Uncle Bob". Ford claims that "Uncle Bob" has connections and is deep in the gov't. This video is about 50% of their evidence. I have to ask how many people have access to these kind of tapes? Very few I would imagine. It wouldn't take much on the part of the powers that be to figure out who is smuggling tape to the outside. This happens to make me very suspicious of the source of these tapes. I don't propose to know the answers but I wouldn't take all that I see at face value as do the members of LIUFON. We all know the fallacy of having a "Secret Source". -Something else to note was the Attitude of Mr. Ford. He was asked several general questions about methods and tests. Every question he answered "No Comment". Someone else asked Mr. Ford about a particular slide in which it looked like there was an object heading towards the mother ship. I saw this same thing but Ford dismissed it as saying. "There is absolutely nothing on this tape that we haven't figured out and you are wrong about what you think you saw". This is just one example of the "Holier than thou" attitude which was VERY apparent from Mr. Ford. It is my opinion that people like Mr. Ford are indicative of the problem with the whole UFO field. The first is that they are suspicious of everything and everyone and while I don't really have a problem with this everything must be taken in context, which Ford apparently is not willing to do. Second, that once a group actually has something they want to profit from it. LIUFON claims to be a Not-For-Profit Corporation, yet they won't release their video tape because they WANT to profit from it. If you want a copy of the presentation as shown at Marcon, you need to just send the group $30.00(I think this is the cost). Of course you won't get a second or third generation copy. You Will get a 5th generation copy of the original which has enough signal degradation that you can't do any of your own analysis. If LIUFON was really concerned about spreading the word and breaking the silence barrier, you could get a 3rd generation tape for $5.00 and they wouldn't be concerned about Copyright violations. In conclusion, I believe that LIUFON has done a thorough investigation and it is my opinion based on the evidence shown that something crashed on Long Island and that the there is a conspiracy to cover it up. The Pictures shown were not excellent quality but it could be discerned that "Alien" Entities were shown. Is this "Smoking Gun" Evidence of a cover-up? Yes. Is this "Smoking Gun" Evidence of Aliens on this planet? No. Sincerely, Mark Roberts ########## Jim Shaffer Jr., Montgomery PA Internet:72750.2335@compuserve.com --- FMail 0.96=E2 * Origin: * On Topic? What's that? <-> FidoNet UFO Moderator * (1:3623/18) <<<>>>
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