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From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 98 15:17:44 PST
Fwd Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 23:24:36 -0500
Subject: Re: Abduction of Blacks? [The Finalists]


>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:16:54 +0000
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Abduction of Blacks? [The Finalists]


>>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Abduction of Blacks? [The Finalists]
>>Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:36:17 -0500

>>>Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:43:19 +0000
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Abduction of Blacks? [The Finalists]
>>>In the meantime a number of other people wrote pointing out that
>>>there _were_ other black abductees and also offering suggestions
>>>as to why black people may be more reluctant to report abduction
>>>experiences to predominantly white UFO organisations.

>>>I accept these arguements - they are after all sociological! -
>>>but I was rather surprised that amongst the alleged thousands of
>>>abductees there have been over the past twenty years the only
>>>name anyone could come up with was Barney Hill.

>Where, where, where did I mention anything about "hysteria" over
>Hispanic immigration? I said "concern" and the legislation (and
>referenda) you mention does indicate "concern". I am getting a
>bit tired of telling people to respond to what I actually write,
>not what Jerry Clark thinks I should have written.


John,

Hold on a minute.  You mean to tell us _now_ that there is no
"abduction panic," no related "racial fear"?  Both of these, in
case you've forgotten them, are phrases you yourself have been
using.  _I_ didn't concoct them.

Now you're trying to tell us that instead of panic and fear,
there is just "concern" -- all the while accusing _me_ of
misstating your position.  Oh boy.

That being the case -- if there is no panic, no fear, only
"concern" -- what in the world has this relatively mild state of
affairs to do with something so dramatic, even traumatic, as
Americans' abduction experiences?  Americans (not to mention
people everywhere around the world) also feel "concern" about
lousy weather, car problems, rent and bill payments, one's
health, the well-being of one's children, job security, and the like.
Do these, too, generate fantasies about being abducted and
probed by humanoid extraterrestrials?  If, as I suspect (I could,
of course, be wrong), your answer is no, then why are race and
immigration in this discussion at all?

It's not my fault if your argument, never a model of clarity to
start with, is growing ever less coherent.

Jerry Clark