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From: Ufojoe1@aol.com [Joe Murgia]
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 23:51:13 EST
Fwd Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:12:57 -0500
Subject: Re: 'UFO Sphere/Orb' over Brooklyn, NY

In a message dated 98-02-08 15:34:48 EST, you write:

>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:49:08 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Bob Shell <bob@bobshell.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'UFO Sphere/Orb' over Brooklyn, NY

 >>From: Ufojoe1@aol.com [Joe Murgia]
 >>Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:44:15 EST
 >>To: updates@globalserve.net
 >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: 'UFO Sphere/Orb' over Brooklyn, NY

(Snip)

>>Alex,

 >>Don't even waste your time responding to people who aren't taking
 >>you seriously and trying to make you look like a hoaxer. How many
 >>times do you have to tell them that you saw it with your eyes? If
 >>people can help you great, but if all they want to do is question
 >>your intelligence then you have to ask yourself, why?

 >>Even if the 'object' was a lens flare, (and I doubt that it was
 >>since you said you saw it with your eyes first) that doesn't
 >>answer Jennifer's question regarding the success of
 >>telepathically communicating with such objects.

>>Joe Murgia


> Joe,

>You misinterpret me.  I have not said, and will not say, that
>Alex didn't see anything.  He very well may have.

>I think he is mistaken in thinking he captured it on film.

>That's a very different thing.

>I've seen many things that I was unable to capture on film, and
>I am a professional photographer.

>I need to hear from Alex what camera he used.  This will make
>it possible to prove that I am wrong and it is not lens flare.

>That would also make it possible to estimate the size of the
>object (very roughly) based on lens focal length.

> Bob

Bob,

Sorry if I lost my temper. I didn't mean to come across so
strongly. However, one of your earlier posts is what pushed
my over the edge. Here is what you wrote with regard to
if Alex captured what he saw, on film.

>Nope,

>Lens flare.  Plain and simple.  The characteristic color
> is a dead give away.

>Put this one in the circular file.

>Bob

How can anybody be so sure of something that they
weren't even present at? You may be right but you may
be wrong. Your response didn't seem to leave open the
possibility of the latter.

Why didn't you write something like this: "Alex, my
experience with cameras and photography lead me
to believe that the object in your photo may very well
be the product of a lens flare. I could be wrong but
that's what it looks like to me. Maybe you missed
the actual orb and got the lens flare instead. Try to
recreate the conditions at the time the photo was
taken and see if lens flare occurs again. Good luck."

I know you wrote something similar in future emails
but the line "Nope. Lens Flare. Plain and Simple."
really made my blood boil and made me think of
the Air Force's cavalier answers at the "recent"
Roswell, Case Closed press conference.

So that's why I responded so strongly to your
post. I hope no offense is taken. I realize you're
trying to get to the truth along with all of us.

Joe