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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:39:05 +0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 20:09:26 -0500
Subject: {87} part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network
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<Raine> <DJFunk> Mr. Birdsall, What are your thoughts on many
peoples theory that the Human race was created by the aliens
controling the ufos that we see today and that their reason of being
here is to Cheak up on their "creations"
<Graham> I'm a great fan of Graham Hancock & Robert Bauval. Read
their material and you will discover why. We have evidence of
dinosaurs dating back millions of years, but the history of mankind
is drop in the bucket. Where are our origins? After 30+ years in
this subject, I do take the view, held by many, that we should look
in this direction for definitive answers. GWB
<Raine> <Aristotl> Mr. Birdsall, how would you describe the
relationship between some of the larger UFO groups in the UK today?
Is there much cooperation, or is the British UFOlogical community
greatly fragmented and hostile to each other?
<Graham> Over 70 Brazilian UFO organisations came together to
produce the 1st World UFO Forum. Their unity resulted in the
greatest gatherings of UFO researchers, at the largest UFO
conference in history, being the success that it was. British
Ufology has come on leaps and bounds, but fragmentation still
exists. Liaison and co- operation is the name of the game if we
are to make progress. GWB
<Raine> <Benat2> Do you think UFology should be alot more
Scientific[ie. more physics and of such involved]?
<Graham> Obviously yes. There are scientists who help us, some go
public, as was the case with Professor Lorimer at Manchester
University, who analysed material from Israel. But we need more
like him if we are to persuade the greater scientific community
to come on board. GWB
<Raine> <SickBoy> What do you think of American Computer Company's
new Roswell claims? They are a different company from the original
American Computer Corporation or ACC, do you think it is a hoax web?
Stan Friedman thinks Corso is involved.
<Graham> I don't know what to make of these claims. Hope to discover
more when I'm in the States for two weeks in February. GWB
<Raine> <volospion> What are Grahams views on the recent Shuttle
footage showing an apparent missile launch against a UFO ?
<Graham> The STS-48 shuttle footage is extremely important. Dr. Jack
Kasher's analysis is equally so. The Russian cosmonaut told me over
breakfast in Brasilia that they and the United States maintain SDI
technology, so make of that what you will. GWB
<Raine> <grey> Q: Please, give us your view on the possible
connection between the Sphinx and ancient visitors from space.
<Graham> A new book by Hancock & Bauval on this topic will be
coming out soon (don't know the title yet), but Robert Bauval
told me it will make Raiders of the Lost Ark look pale in
comparison. Can't wait myself to see what he means by that. GWB
<Raine> -UFOjoe- Do you think there is anything to predicting UFO
occurrences such as is done by T. Roy Dutton?
<Graham> I'm not too sure. I travelled to Iceland some years ago
after people all over the world "received messages" that a landing
would take place near a well-known volcano. We sat and waited and
nothing happened. A can of coke cost 5 so it was one hell of an
expensive prediction. GWB
<Raine> <DOGGI3> Sir, do Jesse Marcel Jr. talks about the whereabout
of the alleged bits and pieces of roswell incident now?
<Graham> He didn't comment about that, possibly because he was never
asked. Jesse is one of the most sincere individuals I have ever met,
so please do take that on board the next time you hear criticism of
the guy. GWB
<Raine> <SickBoy> What is your (and UFO magazine's) position on the
use of hypnotic regrssion on people who suspect they have been
abducted?
<Dave_UFO> Graham we'll take this a the last question as that magic
time has arrived.
<Graham> Provided it is undertaken by qualified individuals (and
that's a grey area in itself), I don't have a problem with the use of
hypnotic regression, accepting at the same time it is clinically
unproven in terms of its effectiveness. However, last night Budd
Hopkins told the Central TV audience that 30 per-cent of his cases
didn't involve the use of hypnotism. GWB
<Dave_UFO> Graham it may be hard for your to believe but we have
been after you for a long time so-to-speak to come on the channel as
a guest. I'm sure I speak for us all when I extend my greatful thanks
to you.
<Dave_UFO> I hope that perhaps much later in the year we can invite
you back. It has been most interesting. I for one will hopefully say
hello at the Solihull conference in February.
<Dave_UFO> Have a safe journey home.
<Dave_UFO> Graham did your wife travel with you tonight?
<Raine> Thanks alot Graham, for your time and effort it has been
greatly appreciated :)
<CoolNess> Thank you for taking the time to come and visit us here at
#ufo Graham and we hope that you will take the time to come and visit
again.
<Graham> Dave, it's been a pleasure. Can I extend my thanks to you
and your colleagues for making this interview possible, and my most
cordial best wishes to your guests. Hope to see you at Solihull,
until then, all the best and goodnight from Otley. GWB
United Kingdom News
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[UK 1]******
From: kevan.farmer@virgin.net
Organisation: Staffordshire UFO Investigation Group
Date: 14th November 1997
RAF Cosford
I have been informed from a fairly reliable source that RAF Cosford
- which is supposedly being quietly run down - has suddenly had it's
security uprated by a phenomenal amount. This coincides with an
increased number of strange sightings including the ubiquitous black
triangles. My informant, who has an RAF jet pilot as an
acquaintance, tells me that this pilot has suddenly clamed up on the
subject of strange sightings. Previously he was always ready to
discuss the phenomena. The pilot is based at RAF Cosford. An
interesting snippet of information is that apparently RAF pilots are
not subject to the same 'gagging' when they have been based abroad.
This particular pilot has in the past been based in Saudia Arabia and
was always willing to talk about UFO's he and his colleagues had seen
over there.
[UK 2]******
Source: BBC Ceefax
Date: Thursday 11th December 1997
Cornwall (UK) plans for eclipse in 1999
Experts are gathering to talk about preventing "eclipse chaos" when
most of Cornwall is plunged into darkness in less than two years
time.
Some 500,000 people are expected to flock to Cornwall to observe the
eclipse in August 1999.
The County's emergency planning officer Steve Winston said the aim
of the meeting was to "plan out any hiccups".
The last total visible eclipse on the UK mainland was in 1927.
[UK 3]******
From: Crow & Raine
Source: West Briton newspaper
Publish Date: 11th December 1997
'Eclipse disaster' summit today
AN ECLIPSE summit meeting being held in Truro today (Thursday)
follows claims in a national newspaper that the event could be a
disaster for Cornwall
An article in The Daily Telegraph This week claimed that as the
county plunges into darkness, tourists can expect '30-mile traffic
jams, no hotel beds, over-priced fast food and mountains of
rubbish."
Steve Winston, Cornwall's Emergency Planning Officer, is the man
tasked with preventing a catastrophe and the co-ordinator of today's
conference. By Richard Shimell
Scientists, emergency services, environmental health officers, health
workers, planners and tourist chiefs are all expected to attend the
meeting at County Hall in an attempt to make sure Cornwall can cope.
"Our job is to think about the worst possible scenario," said Mr
Winston.
Traffic jams are inevitable as hundreds of thousands of sightseers
pour into the county, he admitted. "There is precious little we can
do about that but we need to ensure that ambulances and other
emergency vehicles can travel and that people are aware they will be
stuck in their cars for long periods of time."
Despite his caution, Mr Winston is still able to appreciate the
"poetry" of the event. "Imagine standing on a west facing cliff or
on the deck of a ship and seeing a wall of shadow travelling towards
you at 2,000km an hour," he said.
"When the shadow crosses, the area will immediately be plunged into
darkness, the birds will stop singing and yet, if you're standing on
a high point, it'll be like being under a huge umbrella of' darkness,
as 75km away there will still be light."
The sun in Cornwall will be totally covered for about two minutes on
August 11 at just past 11am, but it will be two and a half hours
from the first shadow to the return of full daylight.
European funding is being sought to employ a project manager and use
the event as a means of promoting tourism in Cornwall.
[UK 4]******
uk.ufo.nw says: Our thanks to Dave Dunworth for the below
information. Dave will be keeping us up to date with reports
Source: Dave Dunworth Director of The Greenhouse
From: Dave Dunworth <thegreenhouse@netmatters.co.uk>
Sightings of strange lights continue to plague Cornwall's South West
Peninsular
By Dave Dunworth <thegreenhouse@netmatters.co.uk>
On Friday 17th October at 08:30am a bright,tear shaped, unidentified
flying object was spotted by a father and daughter collecting their
morning milk. They spotted what at first glance appeared to be a
conventional aircraft at an unusual angle, the strange light caught
their attention as it traveled from East to West, the father decided
to get his binoculars to take a better look. The bright light
appeared to be tear shaped and was definitely not an aircraft he saw
what appeared to be Black Lines running through the object, these
Black Lines seemed to be rotating. The object traveled in a Westerly
direction from the Irish Sea to the English Channel over the ancient
monuments and along the path of a mystical Lay Line towards Mounts
Bay and St. Michael's Mount. The same object was also seen by a
woman from 2 miles away at Penzance who watched it travel over the
Bay towards St. Michael's Mount and disappear from view.
The local RAF Base, RNAS Culdrose, was contacted to see if they had
anything unusual on radar this proved negative so the sighting
remains another mystery as have other frequent sightings in this
area.
This type of sighting is fast becoming common place in the skies of
West Cornwall, they appear frequently over ancient monuments and
also follow the paths of Lay Lines. It is interesting to note that
theses activities are within a 20 mile radius of RNAS Culdrose the
biggest Helicopter base in Europe.
###
This is the second UFO sighting I have received in the past few weeks
from this area, The Town crier Mr. Philip Glett witnessed an object
on 13th September this year at 03:15am he was completely amazed by
his sighting, he said, " I am not prone to believing in this sort of
thing,but now Ive seen one I have to reevaluate my thinking, I have
seen a UFO and now I believe these things are Real". Mr P Gilett
Report Follows:-
The Greenhouse sightings report
Date/Time: Saturday 13th September 1997
Duration of Sighting: 20Mins 03:15 - 03:35
Location: SW Mounts Bay Penzance Cornwall
Investigator: Mr D A Dunworth (The Greenhouse DIRECTOR)
Witness: Mr Phillip Gillet
Occupation: Town Crier (Penzance Cornwall)
By Dave Dunworth <thegreenhouse@netmatters.co.uk>
In his own words Mr Phillip Gillet Explains.........
In the early hours of Saturday morning I awoke and looked through
the window towards the sky in a SE direction. What I saw was to make
me get out of bed and take a closer look, upon investigation I saw
what appeared to be a large oval rugby ball shaped light in the night
sky, The light did not appear to be traveling in any direction but I
did notice that the object was shimmering almost like a jelly. The
light appeared to be a bright yellow/orange and had a kind of
transparency to it.
I watched this light for a good 20 minutes, what I was seeing in my
experience was not a conventional air craft or balloon, the
position of my window looks towards the Lloyds Bank clock
tower(Easterly), this gave me a good viewing point. The visibility
was good and I could make out the plough and I think its Jupiter the
bright star we can see at the moment.
After observing the object for 20 min watching it all the time
shimmering and clearly visible I began to realize that what I was
infact seeing was a UFO, I felt excited at this prospect and was
pleased that after all this time I had actually seen one.
The light continued to glow its unmistakable golden colour and then
it suddenly vanished without a trace it did not shoot off in any
particular direction it just vanished as if someone had switched the
object off like a light.
Copyright (c)1997 The Greenhouse
[UK 5]******
From: AStarkie1@aol.com
UFO sighting over Bury, Lancashire
I thought I'd drop you guys an E-Mail after a very interesting and
unusual event that took place earlier this evening.
Approx 7.00 pm, Saturday Nov 8th. Skies were clear with some light
passing cloud. I was called out by my ten year old son and his two
friends to see something in the sky. At first I could see nothing
but stars, and expected them to be looking at a passing plane. After
a few minutes however, I could see what had excited them:-
Directly overhead appeared to be several objects moving about at
random. Nothing spectacular - they looked rather like 'moving'
stars, about the same brightness and size etc. They seemed to be very
distant. The kids were pointing out loads, but the first one I saw
was clearly moving between two 'fixed' stars. A satellite you may
suggest, maybe, but it was moving in a very strange manner, sort of
speeding-up and then slowing down to an almost standstill whilst
moving in an arc. I traced this for a short time before it vanished.
The second object was clearly moving between two stars for a short
distance before disappearing. During this time, the kids were
pointing out others, and even a neighbour joined in and saw more.
The phenomenon lasted several minutes before all objects
dissappeared.
I have often looked in the skies, but never have I seen anything
like this. I can honestly say they were not aircraft, fireworks or
meteorites. They made no sound and if they were at the distance they
seemed, speeds must have been tremendous.
Alan Starkie
[UK 6]******
Source: The Express newspaper
Date: Saturday 3 January 1998
Weekend: Travel: UK Breaks
Flying visit to Suffolk
Saucer landing spot will suit you to a tea, says Jeffrey Taylor
If you go down to the woods today, your in for a big surprise - at
least you were 17 years ago in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. As I
approached my destination on the southern edge of the plantation, I
noticed the birds had stopped singing and I could have sworn the
temperature had dropped.
When I stood on the rim of the site where Britain's most famous
flying saucer crash-landed I must admit to a slight sense of shock.
The extensively recorded incident when US Air Force personnel
experienced a close encounter with distressed aliens happened in
1980. The area shaped like a giant, er, saucer is still blackened and
desolate.
Words such as corn circles crossed my mind, but could such sour
infertility be artificially maintained for a decade or more? Even
the normally abundant bracken managed only a few wispy tendrills. I
left.
But the Sandlings, the low lying coast to the east of the A12
between Lowestoft and Felixstowe, is a spooky place.
Take Dunwich, where today just a strip of shingle separates grazing
cows from a boisterous sea. In medieval days, before this bit of the
county gave up its struggle to stay afloat and sank, it was Eastern
England's busiest port.
When the tide comes in at sunset, the ghostly bell of the drowned
parish church sounds a doleful knell across the fields. Local
fisherman "Dodger" Holmes knows it does because he's rung it a few
times himself. "Just to keep the visitors happy," the says.
But if its picture postcard you are seeking, the hamlet of
Westleton, just 95 miles and a couple of galaxies from London, has
the lot. A village green with duck pond is ringed with charmming
cottages, the Lion Inn and The Crown dispense Dickensian ambience and
the church is thatched.
Via the parish notice board visitors are cosily invited to join the
village Quilting and Bowling Clubs and press flowers with the
Women's Institute. You could die from the excitement.
Drive south along the Broads to Aldeburgh, a sea side resort with
class even before Benjamin Britten founded his international music
festival.
Across the River Alde estuary you can just make out the silhouette
of 11th century Orford Castle still standing on rising ground outside
the town. In the castle's shadow is Market Hill, Orfords central
square, is the Butley Orford Oysterage Restaurant and shop, known
universally as Pinney's, the name of the family who owned and run it.
Pinney's bivalves are fished every day at 9 am from their local beds
laid down by the Romans and if not eagerly consumed, go back to bed
at closing time. Is that fresh, or what?
Head north of Westleton past the Minsmere Bird Sanctuary, one of the
largest in Europe, to the fishing village of Walberswick where the
annual Crab Championship in August is said to be a riot.
Then a couple of miles further north is Southwold. Small and
genteel, Southwold is, oddly, the home of Adnams Brewery and boasts a
pier which is considered vulgar by the townsfolk. Equally the rows of
quaintly painted beach huts are unpopular with visitors,
particularly when they learn most are not for hire.
The good thing about Suffolk is you can find it with your eyes
closed. Once you drive under the M 25, the A12 rolls you effortlessly
along and within 90 minutes of leaving London, you are seriously
rural.
Though strenuous activities are available, such as church trails and
brass rubbing, the Sandlings is about instant relaxation. And it
works.
[UK 7]******
Source: Daily Telegraph newspaper
Publish Date: Tuesday 16th December 1997
From: jon@loserville.co.uk
Spies like US
A European Commission report warns that the United States has
developed an extensive network spying on European citizens and we
should all be worried. Simon Davies reports
A GLOBAL electronic spy network that can eavesdrop on every
telephone, email and telex communication around the world will be
officially acknowledged for the first time in a European Commission
report to be delivered this week. The report - Assessing the
Technologies of Political Control - was commissioned last year by the
Civil Liberties Committee of the European Parliament. It contains
details of a network of American-controlled intelligence stations on
British soil and around the world, that "routinely and
indiscriminately" monitor countless phone, fax and email messages.
It states: "Within Europe all email telephone and fax communications
are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security
Agency transfering all target information from the European mainland
via the strategic hub of London then by satellite to Fort Meade in
Maryland via the crucial hub at Menwith Hill in the North York moors
in the UK."
The report confirms for the first time the existence of the secretive
ECHELON system. Until now, evidence of such astounding technology has
been patchy and anecdotal. But the report - to be discussed on
Thursday by the committee of the office of Science and Technology
Assessment in Luxembourg - confirms that the citizens of Britain and
other European states are subject to an intensity of surveillance far
in excess of that imagined by most parliaments. Its findings are
certain to excite the concern of MEPs.
"The ECHELON system forms part of the UKUSA system (see 'Cooking up a
charter for snooping') but unlike many of the electronic spy systems
developed during the Cold War, ECHELON is designed primarily for
non-military targets: governments, organizations and businesses in
virtually every country.
"The ECHELON system works by indiscriminately intercepting very large
quantities of communications and then siphoning out what is valuable
using artificial intelligence aids like MEMEX to find key words".
According to the report, ECHELON uses a number of national
dictionaries containing key words of interest to each country.
For more than a decade, former agents of US, British, Canadian and
New Zealand national security agencies have claimed that the
monitoring of electronic communications has become endemic
throughout the world. Rumours have circulated that new technologies
have been developed which have the capability to search most of the
world's telex, fax and email networks for "key words". Phone calls,
they claim, can be automatically analysed for key words.
Former signals intelligence operatives have claimed that spy bases
controlled by America have the ability to search nearly all data
communications for key words. They claim that ECHELON automatically
analyses most email messaging for "precursor" data which assists
intelligence agencies to determine targets. According to former
Canadian Security Establishment agent Mike Frost, a voice recognition
system called Oratory has been used for some years to intercept
diplomatic calls.
The driving force behind the report is Glyn Ford, Labour MEP for
Greater Manchester East. He believes that the report is crucial to
the future of civil liberties in Europe.
"In the civil liberties committee we spend a great deal of time
debating issues such as free movement, immigration and drugs.
Technology always sits at the centre of these discussions. There are
times in history when technology helps democratise, and times when it
helps centralise. This is a time of centralisation. The justice and
home affairs pillar of Europe has become more powerful without a
corresponding strengthening of civil liberties."
The report recommends a variety of measures for dealing with the
increasing power of the technologies of surveillance being used at
Menwith Hill and other centres. It bluntly advises: "The European
Parliament should reject proposals from the United States for making
private messages via the global communications network (Internet)
accessible to US intelligence agencies."
The report also urges a fundamental review of the involvement of the
American NSA (National Security Agency) in Europe, suggesting that
their activities be either scaled down, or become more open and
accountable.
Such concerns have been privately expressed by governments and MEPs
since the Cold War, but surveillance has continued to expand. US
intelligence activity in Britain has enjoyed a steady growth
throughout the past two decades. The principal motivation for this
rush of development is the US interest in commercial espionage. In
the Fifties, during the development of the "special relationship"
between America and Britain, one US institution was singled out for
special attention.
The NSA, the world's biggest and most powerful signals intelligence
organisation, received approval to set up a network of spy stations
throughout Britain. Their role was to provide military, diplomatic
and economic intelligence by intercepting communications from
throughout the Northern Hemisphere.
The NSA is one of the shadowiest of the US intelligence agencies.
Until a few years ago, it existence was a secret and its charter and
any mention of its duties are still classified. However, it does have
a Web site (www.nsa.gov:8080) in which it describes itself as being
responsible for the signals intelligence and communications security
activities of the US government.
One of its bases, Menwith Hill, was to become the biggest spy station
in the world. Its ears - known as radomes - are capable of listening
in to vast chunks of the communications spectrum throughout Europe
and the old Soviet Union. In its first decade the base sucked data
from cables and microwave links running through a nearby Post Office
tower, but the communications revolutions of the Seventies and
Eighties gave the base a capability that even its architects could
scarcely have been able to imagine. With the creation of Intelsat
and digital telecommunications, Menwith and other stations developed
the capability to eavesdrop on an extensive scale on fax, telex and
voice messages. Then, with the development of the Internet,
electronic mail and electronic commerce, the listening posts were
able to increase their monitoring capability to eavesdrop on an
unprecedented spectrum of personal and business communications. This
activity has been all but ignored by the UK Parliament. When Labour
MPs raised questions about the activities of the NSA, the Government
invoked secrecy rules. It has been the same for 40 years.
Glyn Ford hopes that his report may be the first step in a long road
to more openness. "Some democratically elected body should surely
have a right to know at some level. At the moment that's nowhere".
World News
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[W 1]******
Source: Teletext World News
Date: Saturday 13th December 1997
Mexican snow
Mexico: Snow has fallen in some parts of the normally arid northern
states for the first time in over 30 years.
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