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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:19:35 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:02:25 -0500
Subject: Re: The Prophets Conference - Strieber

>From: prophets@maui.net
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 20:50:59 -1000
>To: axiom@aloha.net
>Subject: NOTES FROM THE PROPHETS CONFERENCE - WHITLEY STRIEBER

>You may find out what was exactly said at The Prophets
>Conferences in Los Angeles and Phoenix by Whitley Strieber and
>the others in this extraordinary group of today's leading
>messengers, by visiting:

>http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/tapes.html

>Another of the outstanding Prophets Conference messengers was
>Peter Gorman:
>visit
>http://www.aloha.net/~axiom/amazon.html

Hello All,

'Profits & Me$$enger$'

This post really rattled my cage! Allow me a 'rant' if you
please.

(Pope to Michaelangelo: "When will you make it end?")

"Prophets Conference, . . . Prophets, Messengers!?" What a load
of pure unadulterated bullsh*t! These New Age priests, prophets,
and messengers may be oh so 'heavy', and 'deep' and 'out there'
but back here on earth it's all about good old fashioned
greenbacks and blind -unquestioning-unthinking- followers!

John the Baptist was a "prophet", Mohummad was a "messenger"
could someone please explain where Whitley Strieber and Gorman
fit into that noble lineage? I find it the height of egotism and
pretention to allow oneself to be presented as a "messenger" at a
"prophets conference." If all of this wasn't so serious I'd be
laughing my ass off.

Nah, I'll laugh anyway these (side-show clowns) -are- funny.

Loaded words like, 'prophet' and 'messenger'  are chosen
-intentionally- by the marketing dropouts that sponsor and run
these 'side shows' and for the same reasons an alleged science
reporting program calls a segment on abduction, "Kidnapped by
UFO's" for -RATINGS AND SENSATIONALISM !-

Translation: Ratings and sensationalism = "Mo people means Mo
money!"

Because they are on the pro-UFO side of the fence does not excuse
them.

I don't hear anyone criticizing Strieber for the same infractions
that people find so offensive when they come from a skeptic!
Baloney is baloney no matter what deli you buy it in. I'm
starting to get a little tired of saying that unless we demand
the -best- from -all- of those who claim to represent us in this
field, we're always going to be dismissed as frivilous air heads
with nothing of real substance to offer. "Prophets" and
"messengers" indeed! They ought to be ashamed of themselves or at
least know better. All it does is lend a 'carnival atmosphere' to
something of urgent import for all of us.

Example: You are a person that has just learned of the details of
the 'abduction scenario/pattern' that is being reported by so
many people. As you read this information you begin to realize
that you yourself recall these very same odd and unexplained
experiences. You slowly start to blow a gasket as you begin to
question your own sanity for even contemplating such a
possibility. Fear, confusion and a completely unsettled feeling
replaces your normal daily composure. You can now think of
-nothing else- finding an answer rapidly becomes obsession.

At some point you realize that you have a thousand questions that
you need answered, -and immediately-! Relief from the torment of
the internal hell of self-doubt and fear that you suddenly find
yourself in is urgent. You know that if you tell your doctor or
your wife or friends that they are going to cock their heads over
to one side the way that dogs and people do when they don't
understand or can't relate so, . . . you contact say a "Whitley
Strieber" for info and advice because you saw one of his books
and you figure, hey maybe this guy will understand and not laugh
me off.

Pay attention here!

What you will be greeted by is a fee of $50 for a half hour
audience before you can speak to the "prophet" (or is it
"Messenger?") about your 'problem!'

No lie, "I kid you not" as my beloved Jack Paar used to say. Old
Whit is charging Park avenue, New Yawk psychiatrist prices for
his time as if he shared their credentials and experience or even
had anything of value to offer these tormented souls.

So you tell me, is the 'prophet' concerned with souls or
greenbacks? Is 'He' interested in the lives that God has placed
in his path or in their disposable income. You be the judge. I've
just had a belly full of the Boylans and the Hoaglands and now
Strieber who sell out for few pieces of silver and leave all
rationality -far behind- in the wake of their collective money
making dust.

Well we pay the price! They make us all look like mindless boobs,
oportunists, and followers in the eyes of the
uneducated/uninformed masses. As long as we allow this and
support it with $ it will continue unabated and will -continue to
muddy already murky waters.-

Just my seventeen cents!

John Velez, (Common abduction experiencer who has *-no idea- whats
-really- going on.)

*See Whit, it's not so hard to say, (and BTW) No charge dude! <EG>