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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:13:58 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 09:57:04 -0400
Subject: Re: William Cooper Taking On Authorities


>Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 13:05:54 -0700
>From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com>
>To: Errol Bruce-Knapp <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: William Cooper Taking On Authorities

>Many of you that have been in the UFO field for along time will
>know who Milton Wm. "Bill" Cooper is. If this name is not
>familar to you as far as UFOs are concerned, 10 years ago Cooper
>was all the "rage" on the UFO circut. In 1990 I completed a
>several part expose on Cooper in the pages of UFO Magazine. I
>will upload them here in future messages.

Hey Big Don!

Welcome back to UpDates man! I just wanted to jump in with
two quick comments. Both of which are true. One is from you
and one is from Cooper.

1. Re: When Cooper burned all his bridges in the UFO arena,

>(if you
>ever disagreed with him or called him on his "facts" you were
>either called an agent of the secret government or perhaps
>assaulted by him physically or had your car tires slashed, or
>were subjected to a barrage of vile and abusive telephone calls.
>All of which are on various public records in a number of police
>departs.)

I can verify Dons' statement above as being factual. A certain
"well known researcher" (who shall remain nameless) played
a series of telephone messages from Mr Cooper that consisted
_solely_ of threats, raunchy insults, and profanity. Some of it
was really spooky to listen to. The guy sounded sinister, like
he really meant what he said. There was nothing 'funny' or
innocent (like a phone prank) in any of it.

Don "kids you not" with the above statements.

2. Re:
>Lee said, however, that both Cooper and Jacobs had spoken of
>Ruby Ridge and Waco, scenes of bloody confrontations that in the
>militia movement have become symbolic of federal government
>brutality and arbitrary power.

Don I agree that Coopers' rhetoric is nothing short of insane
paranoid rantings and ravings. I have six hours of this guys
lectures on tape (sent to me by someone who follows him) and you
don't have to have a degree in psychology from Harvard to 'grok'
that Cooper is one sick cowpoke. But like any other rant and rave
there is always a sprinkling of truth here and there. I agree
with his assessment of Waco and Ruby Ridge. It _was_ "symbolic of
federal government brutality and arbitrary power." And I'm not a
gun toting, whacked out, militia guy. I'm just an ordinary
American that was deeply pained and incensed at the careless
murder of women and children at the hands of Federal officials
that were armed with flame throwing tanks, loud (bad) music, very
little brains or sense, and combat assault weapons. Any way you
cut it it was overkill.

Some of those bastards that they hauled up before a congressional
hearing _should_have_been_ put over for prosecution. ATF
especially should have been reamed for their methods and tactics.
That hideous person Janet Reno is another one who literally got
away with murder!

Yeah, Cooper rants and raves, but every once in a while he
accidentally stumbles up on some truth. There are laws which
prevent the use of military force and equipment on our own
citizens. Yet that is precisely what happened at Waco! I agree
that Bill Cooper should be dismissed for the looney that he is,
but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater, this
particular 'rant' happens to be true. Americans shouldn't
forget Waco and the babies that died there so that there is
_never_ a repeat performance.

I came here armed, but only with two cents worth of opinions!
<G>

Great to have you back on the list Don!

Tu amigo siempre,

John Velez