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From: Joachim Koch <koch@wad.berlin.fido.de>
Date: 20 Jul 98 12:12:00 +0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 22:23:28 -0400
Subject: Mr. Werner Walter And His Reality


>Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:05:13 -0700
>From: jan@cyberzone.net (Jan Aldrich)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Foo-Fighters--A German View

>A recent exchange (slightly edited) from the Project 1947 List is
>below.
>===============================================================
>Subject: Foo-Fighters: The German view
>Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:20:22 -0400
>From: Werner Walter <113236.1604@COMPUSERVE.COM>
>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

>Hi List;

>The foo fighter-scenario is very interessting for me as a German.
>Fromtime to time I read short articles about this "objects" in the
>UFO-press

<snip>

>I'm now 25 years active here in Germany on the UFO-field as
>researcher and case-investigator but never found a man which
>has reported me a foo fighter-sighting - on the other side few
>people come up which has phantastic storys about their works on
>the socalled Nazi-saucer (but these men were all crackpots).

>Werner

>============================================

Hello Errol, Hello List,

Though I know that "personalities" are not quite the topic of this
list, I think I should inform you that two individuals have shown up
here recently who had caused very much damage to a greater public in
their fields of activity.

I know that everyone has his right to take part in this list and that
it is also the right of everyone here to express controversial
opinions. I attended this list since a long time and have learned a
lot from what was presented here. I  think, for various reasons, at
least you should know with whom you are dealing here because not many
of you know about Mr. Werner Walter (Germany) and Mr. Robert Irving
(UK).

This is meant not to start a discussion but to share information.

                                -.-.-.-

Mr. Werner Walter estimates himself to be the main and most
important debunker of  Germany. He has only one idol: Mr. Phil
Klass. He even wants to be  better. Whenever someone claims to
have seen an UFO or something  unusual happens, Mr. Walter is
present and starts to explain away  everything. Whenever the
German media needs someone to ridicule the  UFo research in
general or researchers in particular (such as above:  "...but
these men were all crackpots...") they ask Mr. Walter who  loves
to see himself in the spotlight.

Mr. Walter has left all borders behind and has no diffulty in
diffaming people whenever it is appropriate for  his needs. He
has no  scientific background and the organisation which he is
runnunig here  in Germany is a tiny one and has only  a few
members. He claims to  have "researched" several hundred cases
worldwide and has found no  evidence of any UFO. Of course, most
of his "research" was done  theoretically by watching pictures
and videos at home in his room.

One of his "highlights" is the debunking of the Belgium UFO
wave.  According to Mr. Walter, the Belgium UFO organisation
SOBEPS, the  Belgium Air Force and the hundreds of people around
an in the town of  Eupen or by the big water reservoir nearby
were all fools. What they  had seen with their own eyes or what
was seen on the radar screens of  the F16's or what the two
gendarmes were following with their car -  this was all rubbish
because Mr. Walter later was able to identify  from some video
at home in his room what was in the skies over Belgium  at that
time: ultra-light aeroplanes.

Mr. Walter has the worst reputation here in Germany (numerous
researchers would confirm this), has caused major damage to
serious  German UFO resarch and is continuing to do so.

                                -.-.-.-


Mr. Robert Irving is widely known as one of the main crop circle
hoaxers of Great   Britain. He has worked alone and together
with other hoaxers such as   Jim Schnabel. He has caused major
damage to the serious crop circle  research for example by
infiltrating a serious research group such as  the famous
"Beckhampton Group" in the early nineties. He has fooled
thousands of good-willing and trusting people worldwide by
creating  elaborate crop circle hoaxes up to today. He has
issued a handbook for  hoaxers and faked a photograph of an UFO
inside a hangar in Italy for  a British magazine. He sucks
information from where and whom he can to  use it for his dark
activities as he has started discussions even here  in this
list. In England, he knows, it is better for him not to come
too close to certain British farmers or researchers.

                                -.-.-.-

Joachim  Koch
International Roswell Initiative, Germany