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From: United Kingdom UFO Network <ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:44:12 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 18:20:12 -0400
Subject: {92} part 1 - United Kingdom UFO Network

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 U K  /  /  //  ___/ /  /  '                                  9th May 1998
     /  /  //  /    /  /  /  N E T W O R K                 part 1 Issue 92
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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in over 40 countries.

This issue comes in 2 parts. If any part is missing please mail:
ufo@holodeck.demon.co.uk giving the issue number. The issue will be
reposted to you. Please put the details as below in the subject
section e.g.  Repost {92} part 1 or part 2.

In this issue:

Editorial
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Future UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guests
Fully configured MIRC irc software for you to download

UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest spot!
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Kevin Randle

United Kingdom News
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[UK 1] UFO shock for student
[UK 2] 24,000mph UFO buzzes Britain
[UK 3] Total eclipse of the sun in UK
[UK 4] Secret maze built under city
[UK 5] A natural-born beauty as Dolly has a little lamb
[UK 6] Tesco's to supply space station.
[UK 7] Northern Ireland under attack - by ET!
[UK 8] Sighting near Ashington, Northumberland
[UK 9] The Search Goes On

World News
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[W 1] Congressman Schiff Dies at 51
[W 2] Entity ??  contact,  Australia.
[W 3] Bizarre UFO tale no worse than other Clinton stories
[W 4] New Zealand's First Crop Circle - courtesy NBC-TV
[W 5] Publicity campaign for the new VW Beetle
[W 6] Amazed scientists discover space is full of vast oceans of water

Upcoming events
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Groom Lake gathering
Anniversary Commemorative event of the UFO crash at Aztec, New Mexico

Letters
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The Lolladoff disc
Sighting over Leyton in London
Any UFO groups in Cambridge, UK?
UFO's Garston nr North Watford


Editorial
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Future UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guests

Saturday 9th May - John Carpenter (USA)
Saturday 23rd May - Nick Pope (UK MoD)
Saturday 6th June - Philippe Piet van Putten (Brazil)

Confirmed guests dates to be decided:

Whitley Strieber (USA)
James Bond Johnson (USA)

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UK.UFO.NW -IRC- guest spot!
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This is a cleaned up log, of the United Kingdom UFO Network Saturday
11th April 1998 IRC meeting on #UFO with guest Kevin Randle. Kevin
kindly gave up a couple of hours of his spare time to answer some
questions for the visitors to the channel. Below you will find a
list of questions that Kevin was asked along with his replies. The
name in between the <>'s e.g.<Nesssus> is the nick name of the IRC
user asking the question and where you see <KRandle> is of course the
start of Kevin's reply.

CREDITS:

We would like to thank Dave_UFO for arranging this meeting with
Kevin Randle. We would like to thank Kevin Randle for attending this
meeting and answering the questions put to him. We would like to
thank all the people involved in asking questions. We would like to
thank everyone who attended this meeting. This meeting was moderated
by Crow and Raine.

Session Start: Sat Apr 11 22:58:38 1998*** Now talking in #ufo

<grumps> Hi Kevin. Chris Rutkowski here. I owe you a drink. :)

<KRandle> Hi Chris. I think you do, but I don't know how to collect
it. *** K9 sets mode: +m

<Raine> Hello everyone and welcome. I would first like to welcome
Kevin to IRC and thank him for joining us on channel #ufo. Please
remember if you have any questions for Kevin /msg crow or me with
them and NOT Kevin, /join #ufo2 for unmoderated chat. Here is a brief
introduction:

<Raine> Kevin D. Randle is a professional writer who, for more than
twenty years, has been studying the UFO phenomenon. Training by the
Army as a helicopter pilot, and by the Air Force as an intelligence
officer, provides Randle with a unique insight into the operations
of the military, their investigations of UFOs, and into a phenomenon
that has puzzled people since the Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting in June
1947.

<Raine> During his investigations, Randle has travelled the United
States to interview hundreds of witnesses who were involved in
everything from the famous Roswell, New Mexico UFO crash of 1947, to
the repeated radar sightings of UFOs over Washington, D.C. in 1952,
to the latest of the abduction cases. Randle was among the first
journalists to have the opportunity to review the files of the Air
Force's UFO study, Project Blue Book when they were declassified in
1976. As a writer, Randle has produced more than 80 books on a
variety of topics. Is there anything you would like to add Kevin or
are you ready for the first question?

<Raine> I give you Kevin Randle ....

<KRandle> Just that I have been working to complete my dissertation
for a doctorate in psychology and have been working to complete a
couple of new books.

<KRandle> KR

<Dave_UFO> Within the last few years the 509th had their 50th
anniversary. A representative of yours attended to see if any of the
group (now getting on in years) would come forward with any
information. At that time no one did. Has this changed since then?

<KRandle> Everyone who was on Col. Blanchard's staff in 1947 has
suggested that a UFO was responsible for the debris. We must
remember that the 509th existed long past that event. But yes, there
are others suggesting something unusual. KR

<Nesssus> Hi and welcome to #ufo Kevin. I've spoken to Stanton on a
number of occasions and he's suggested that a number of the
"stories" of crashes are just that, stories, because Leonard H
Stringfield never properly investigated these cases, would you agree?

<KRandle> Len Stringfield was collecting data and then providing it
to the rest of us. His service was extremely important.

<KRandle> But, knowing that he was not investigating each sighting,
we have to do that.

<KRandle> I believe that the vast majority of UFO crash stories are
just that. Stories. We have to check each one carefully. KR

<Crow> Kevin, I have heard so many variations as to the shape of the
Roswell craft found at the second crash site. Some seem to be saying
it was a saucer shape others say it was like a triangular (stealth)
type craft, what conclusions have you come to if any on the crafts
shape?

<KRandle> The best information is that the craft was triangular
shaped. This is based on the credible eyewitness testimony. KR

<EtBunny> "It is said that the Roswell story has changed over the
years that the "alien" part of the story did not begin until the
70s. So how do we know the Roswell story is true?

<KRandle> Actually, we have mentions of alien bodies long before
1970. I believe the Roswell story to be true based on the eyewitness

<KRandle> testimony of very credible people such as Major Edwin
Easley, the 509th Provost Marshal in 1947. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, out of all the crashes that you have investigated,
which would you say is the most comparable to Roswell?

<KRandle> Oh, a hard one.

<KRandle> I would say that the best evidence would be for the 1962
Las Vegas, Nevada crash.

<KRandle> I find Kingman, Arizona in 1953 to be intriguing, but it
doesn't have the number of witnesses as the other two. KR

<Dave_UFO> Out of all the Roswell witnesses you have interviewed who
strikes you as the most important and why?

<KRandle> I believe that Edwin Easley is very important because of
who he was in 1947. He told me that the craft was of extraterrestrial
origin.

<KRandle> I find Patrick Saunders, the adjutant, who wrote on the
flyleaf to one of my books that it was the truth, to be very
important. He had nothing to gain and I learned of his notes after
his death. No spotlight motivation.

<KRandle> I find Frank Kaufmann to be credible because, to this
point no one has demonstrated that he has lied about anything.

<KRandle> There are those who don't like his testimony because of
what it does to their personal beliefs and agendas, but the fact is,
he hasn't been caught lying.

<KRandle> There are a number of other lesser players who tell
interesting stories. KR

<Snakker> Kevin, where does the Roswell investigation go from here?

<KRandle> I think we have about mined that field. We might find
additional witnesses, but who is going to care?

<KRandle> The skeptics are going to say their lying. The debunkers
are going to ignore them. And the UFO

<KRandle> researchers are going to try to pick apart the story if it
doesn't conform to their beliefs. We're going to have to look for
physical evidence and documentation. KR

<^Darren> Hi Kevin. In connection with your research into Roswell,
do you think aircraft such as NASA's Hyper X is using technology as
in shape and aerodynamics which has been directly taken from the
crashed craft?

<KRandle> At this late date it's hard to imagine that. We have to
remember that humans are very bright. Sometimes we don't need help
to figure something out. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, do you feel that if some other crash cases where
investigated as thoroughly as Roswell we would have some real
evidence or more answers?

<KRandle> That's a very distinct possibility. Or maybe just some
other cases. The Washington Nationals,

<KRandle> the radar cases from 1952 might provide some answers.

<KRandle> And the Bentwaters case from the UK looks very good as
long as Larry Warren's nonsense is left out of it. KR

<Snakker> Do you think that Richard Tungate has any more substantial
Roswell information to reveal? If so, what is holding him back?

<KRandle> I think a number of witnesses could provide additional
information if the right questions were asked and the right people
asked them. KR

<Crow> Hi again kevin, have you ever interviewed James Bond Johnson,
the photographer who took the famous picture of Jessie Marcell in
General Ramey's office with the weather balloon wreakage? As he will
be a guest here on may 2nd and said he wanted to clear up some of
the rumours before its too late for him to be able to do so. How much
do you think he really knows?

<KRandle> I was the first to interview him. His story, as related to
me on audio tape, has substantially changed since he first told it.

<KRandle> He'll tell you that I misquoted him, I forced my opinions
on him, and that I'm wrong.

<KRandle> Unfortunately for him, I have it all on tape. He has
radically altered his story from those tapes. He

<KRandle> denies he said things that you can clearly him him say.
However, he was in Ramey's office, he did take the photographs

<KRandle> of Ramey and Dubois, and he now claims he took the
pictures of Marcel. Originally he said he took two pictures, then
four and now six. KR

<Benat2> Hey Kev thanks for coming, my question is back in March and
April of '96 Billy Dolymere and I exchanged a few email messages, in
one of them he defended saying you didnt say something, I don't
remmeber what, but today I visited UFOMIND and it says he criticizes
your work, what happened here?

<KRandle> I have never met the man and as far as I know, never
talked to him. He is a friend and supporter of Don Schmitt. He
accepts everything that Schmitt said as true. KR

<stu7> Kevin...I'd like to ask the obvious... have you had any
opposition from the Army, AirForce or other services, regarding your
investigations ? Any help from them ?

<KRandle> No opposition. In fact, while I was being investigated for
my top secret clearance

<KRandle> the man doing the work included a number of the magazine
articles I had published

<KRandle> criticising the Air Force. I still got the clearance. KR

<Dave_UFO> Is there currently any thought on where the Roswell
wreckage might now be?

<KRandle> I know that it, or some of it went, to Wright Field. I
don't know if it is still there or moved. Everything beyond that is
speculation. KR

<Tinncup> kevin have you ever been told that military will tell the
people the truth one day?

<KRandle> Simple answer is NO. KR

<TopGun__> Have you done research on the MJ-12 documents and do you
think they are authentic?

<KRandle> I have done a great deal of work on MJ-12. Although I
originally believed them to be authentic

<KRandle> I think the evidence is that they are faked. There is no
provenance for them, the typeface didn't exist until

<KRandle> years after the documents were supposedly written. There
are many such problems. KR

<Philos> Kevin What about Pappy Henderson's widow.... I assume you
find her credible also ?

<KRandle> Yes. She is a very nice lady who is telling the truth as
she knows it. Unfortunately she didn't see anything first hand. She
is repeating what her husband told her.

<KRandle> More importantly, we have no reason to doubt what he said
either. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin would you rather be known as a UFO researcher or as
a succesful Sci-Fi writer?

<KRandle> Well, the term is actually science fiction or SF. I have
done quite a bit of action fiction, techno-thrillers and the like.

<KRandle> I think I would like to be known as a successful writer
and a UFO researcher, a psychologist, helicopter pilot, former
military officer, and a lot of other things that I have done.

<KRandle> KR

<Snakker> Is anyone in the U.S. Congress anywhere close to opening
hearings/investigations into the UFO and hopefully the Roswell
incident, also?

<KRandle> I don't think we're very close to any sort of
Congressional hearings at the moment. The Air

<KRandle> Force, with their silly final reports, have convinced many
that Roswell was nothing more than a balloon. KR

<I-Knight> Kevin, at last week's meeting Nick Redfern mentioned a
crash in Britain in 1955 where the bodies of some "small men" were
recovered. Do you know anything about this?

<KRandle> I did a quick search of my database on crashes and didn't
find anything. Short answer: NO. KR

<RavNmaD> Kevin, have you looked into the Varginha incident? and if
so, what conclusions have you drawn?

<KRandle> I've just looked at the beginnings of it. To me, it seems
to slide toward the poor end of the

<KRandle> scale, but I would like to see more, corroborated data
before I write it off completely. KR

<Snakker> How would you have improved the GAO's investigation into
the disposition of Roswell records?

<KRandle> By having them search from the other end as well. They
couldn't find the outgoing messages.

<KRandle> Let's look for those who would have been receiving them
such as 8th AF HQ and SAC.

<KRandle> Let's talk to a few people. I had heard

<KRandle> that the FBI office in Albuquerque had some records so I
turned the information over to the GAO

<KRandle> hoping they would do something, but they didn't. I would
have looked a little harder. KR

<Crow> Who do you think is the least credible of the Roswell
witnesses and why?

<KRandle> Jim Ragsdale for changing his story. Gerald Anderson for
inventing his and getting caught in his lies. Glenn Dennis for
changing the name of the nurse once we had proved she didn't exist.
KR

<Snakker> Isn't Frank Kaufmann a genuine government whistleblower
with bona fides? If this is true, why don't Time, Newsweek, NBC, CBS,
New York Times, etc., jump on the Roswell incident story? Is it
because it is about UFOs?

<KRandle> Well, each of those agencies has done UFO stuff. CBS's 48
Hours interviewed him a couple of

<KRandle> years ago. They didn't ridicule his story. However, the
problem is that we are dealing with

<KRandle> UFOs. No journalist who has spent 20 years building
credibility is going to want to lose it in five minutes

<KRandle> because of UFOs. KR

<Dave_UFO> We read about all sorts of things on the net. Some
believable. Some not. What is your current relation & feeling's on
Don Schmitt?

<KRandle> I have no relation with Don Schmitt. He lied about his
education. He lied about his employment.

<KRandle> He lied about other UFO researchers attempting to
discredit them. And he continues to lie today.

<KRandle> Blunt but true. KR

<Philos> Kevin, You mentioned the '52 Wash. D.C. events .. What can
we learn from that today ? There was no crash - just radar & photos
??

<KRandle> Radar, photos, pilot intercepts, ground visual sightings,
radar sightings, all sorts of data that could be gathered. And we
can see the US government duplicity in their response to the case. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, Do you think that the Bentwaters/Rendlesham forest
affair is the UK equivalent of Roswell?

<KRandle> No, but only because there wasn't a crash. There is some
interesting evidence from that case. It's one that needs to be fully
explored

<KRandle>It has a place of its own in UFO history. KR

<stu7> Kevin I think Roswell was the first case most ufologists
heard of... are there any more recent cases, in the last year or so,
where the chance of documenting still exists ?

<KRandle> There is the case in Arizona that might provide some of
that. I don't mean to be so American-centric, if that's a word, but
the stuff I hear is usually from American sources. KR

<etech> I have heard that Pres. Carter asked for UFO info, and was
denied, I find that hard to believe. Have you heard anythng like
that?

<KRandle> Carter was going to ask for the information. I can't
conceive of a situation where the information

<KRandle> could be denied to the President. He has the power to get
rid of anyone and find someone who will talk.

<KRandle> So no, I don't think he was refused. KR

<Dave_UFO> Kevin have you ever been intimidated or threatened with
regards to the investigations you undertake? Do you know of anyone
who has been forced by whatever means not to talk to you?

<KRandle> I have never been threatened. A few people I know suggest
they have been told not to talk, but I can't document that. KR

<Snakker> How can we get a national forum to demonstrate to the
American public and the establishment elites that the Air Force
response to Roswell incident facts was simply ludicrous?

<KRandle> I think the AF hurt itself with the "flying dummies"
story. I think we can find all the proof we want and the attitude is
going

<KRandle> to be, this happened before I was born. Why should I care?

<KRandle> That might be our problem. We're now dealing with
history.KR

<Nesssus> What got you interested in UFO's in the first place? and
did you drift into research or "deliberately" took it up?

<KRandle> I always blame my mother.

<KRandle> She had an interest in science fiction and it isn't a far
step into the realm of the UFO.

<KRandle> I took up UFO research because I wanted to learn the truth
for myself. KR

<Philos> Kevin, Do you detect any effort to subvert the Roswell
research, such as false wittnesses or such? I mean intentional
subversion.

*** KRandle has quit IRC (Read error to
KRandle[202-154-186.ipt.aol.com]: Connection reset by peer_)

<Nesssus> oh dear

<TopGun__> uups...

<Raine> im sure he will be back :)

<Crow> he was doing great so far too

<Crow> #ufo2 open for unmoderated disscussion

<Crow> we will give him a few mins to redial he may well be back any
sec

*** KRandle (Crows_www@203-55-85.ipt.aol.com) has joined #ufo

*** Raine sets mode: +o KRandle

<Crow> welcome back Kevin

<Raine> welcome back Kevin :)

<KRandle> Hey folks. I was AOLed. That means they logged me off.

<Benat2> re kev

<Philos> Kevin, Do you detect any effort to subvert the Roswell
research, such as false wittnesses or such? I mean intentional
subversion.

<KRandle> Ah, that was the question. No. I see people jumping on the
bandwagon for the spotlight

<KRandle> or to make some money. The government attempts are their
silly final reports. I mean, they did a final report and then did a
second final report. KR

<buck7> Welcome Kevin. I wonder if you have any further information
regarding the Shag Harbor incident.

<KRandle> Chris Styles and Don Ledger have been doing a wonderful
job with that. When someone asked earlier about good UFO crash cases,
I should have put that at the top of the list.

<KRandle> I know that they are continuing their work and have found
some good documentation. KR

<Snakker> What do you think Sheridan Cavitt's motivation is for not
telling the truth about his experiences with Jesse Marcel in the
Roswell incident?

<KRandle> His government oath to keep the secret.

<KRandle> I think that we have a lot of people who are honorable and
who were told not to talk. They just don't because they said they
wouldn't. KR

<stu7> Kevin ...whats the best piece of physical (if any) evidence
from Roswell, or any case, youve seen ?

<KRandle> That's a tough one.

<KRandle> I think that some of the photo cases, when couple to other
evidence makes a persuasive case. McMinnville, Oregon in 1950, for
example. KR

<Dave_UFO> What role do you feel NASA plays in all of this? On the
one hand they appear to be saying "yes" life does exist elsewhere
possibly i.e. the Mars meteorite and lets not forget their
willingness to rephotograph Cydonia, 'the face on Mars.

<KRandle> I think NASA is trying to avoid the problems the AF faces
with Project Blue Book.

<KRandle> I think that NASA is working hard to keep their budget
intact. And they do respond to public pressure as you noted.

<KRandle> As for a role, I think the exploration of space will
answer our questions if we don't get them answered down here. KR

<pathfindr> have you ever spoken with any astronauts in regards to
the rumors of ufo sightings?

<KRandle> No. I heard the same stories and seen them, in public
forums acknowledge some of it.

<KRandle> KR

<Snakker> Kevin, you were a helicopter pilot. Do you think that the
so-called (silent) black helicopters are advanced military, or some
alien thing, or a combination of both?

<KRandle> Nope. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin do you believe that alien technology/ufo's are kept
at Area51?

<KRandle> Nope.

<KRandle> That is the simple answer. I think the next level of
military technology is being developed there

<KRandle> which is a good reason for the secrecy. We don't want our
competitors in the world to know everything we're doing. KR

<Dave_UFO> Black Budgets. We know the U.S. government has a black
budget. Has a black budget list ever been released or obtained?

<KRandle> Some of the really old stuff has been learned. The
Manhattan Project, for example.

<KRandle> The problem is that they are black budgets... some what
30-40 Billion dollars a year. You can

<KRandle> cause a lot of trouble with that kind of money. KR

<Snakker> What is the best strategy to force the smoking gun UFO
evidence out of our government/military

<KRandle> Be scientific in our approach to the questions. Let go of
the cases where the evidence is against us. Mantell, for example,

<KRandle> was killed chasing a balloon. The evidence for that is
overwhelming. Let's stop suggesting that a death ray got him. That
harms us. KR

<buck7> Kevin, what is your take on the Mexico City video? Having
just seen it myself for the first time along with some witness
testimony, it looked compellingly real, if not a very excellent
technical hoax.

<KRandle> One of the segments I saw, with a flight of helicopters
looked faked to me. You have an

<KRandle> unknown object flash in front of your craft and there is
no reaction, by any of the pilots. That bothered me.

<KRandle> Someone should have reacted, unless the object was added
to the video later. KR

<pathfindr> Some "abductees" report a mission they are to perform at
some future time. Is this a common trait or perception?

KRandle> Many abductees have made mention of that. Some of the
contactees said the same thing. KR

<Dave_UFO> I work with a lot of people who are only too willing to
point out to me newspaper & magazine articles etc. However I know
some still smile unbelievingly. How have you approached people with
your beliefs?

<KRandle> I try to make sure that they understand that the physical
evidence, in every form, that is demanded by

<KRandle> science already exists. When Carl Sagan demand, "Where is
the evidence?" My question to him would be

<KRandle> tell me what you want and I'll tell you where it is.KR

<Philos> Kevin, would you care to venture an opinion as to the nature
of the visitors? Ets ? Other-dimensional beings? Spirits?
Time-travellers?

<KRandle> I believe that some UFO sightings represent
extraterrestrial visitation. KR

<Crow> Kevin how did you react when you heard the announcment of the
Roswell crash dummies?

<KRandle> LOL. Great deals of laughter. Hell, it wasn't even in the
right time frame. KR

<I-Knight> Kevin, do you believe any part of what Bob Lazar says
about his work at Area 51? Stanton Friedman says he is a fraud but
Bob Oeshler says he is genuine!

<KRandle> Boy, caught me in a bad one here. I have to side with Stan
on this one. I talked to a man who worked with Lazar at Los Alamos.
Said he was a technician and not a scientist. KR

<buck7> Kevin, I was referring to the saucer shaped craft which flew
behind an apartment complex and then emerged.

<KRandle> Back to Mexico.

<KRandle> I guess I would have to take a long look at the Mexico. I
was merely suggesting that some of the video needs to be reveiwed
carefully. KR

<Snakker> Do you know of any underground facility research besides
that of Richard Sauder? We hear a lot of rumor about extensive
underground facilities. Have you personally been in any (extensive)
underground facilities in your military career?

<KRandle> I was in a missile silo once. I was in Carlsbad Caverns
twice. Yes, there are underground facilities, but I doubt that any
of them have an extraterrestrial influence. KR

<Crow> Kevin what are your personal thoughts on Alien abductions do
you believe its happening or it is something else?

<KRandle> There is no doubt that the people reporting abductions are
experiencing something that is real to them.

<KRandle>But we must remember that we do not have the proper
corroborative detail. I believe that we will find an answer that has
a mundane force behind it. KR

<Nesssus> Kevin, whats your "favourite" case?

<KRandle> Well, would you believe "Roswell?"

<KRandle> Other good cases include the photographic part of the
Lubbock Lights, Levelland, TX in 1957, the Montanta Movie

<KRandle> of 1950. Gees, I'm stuck in the deep past... Oh, Lonnie
Zamora in 1964. Bentwaters. The Belgium sightings. KR

<VVazza> Kevin, do you know of any alien abduction cases that have
involved mutilation?

<KRandle> I was going to just say, "No." but I have heard of a couple
through various other researchers.

<KRandle> I don't find the evidence for them to be very persuasive
thought.KR

<Benat2> Kev: do you have a messagebourd of some type somewere were
we can post questions or comments to you?

<KRandle> Yes. Look at http://www.crystalsky.com

<KRandle> KR

<forgiette> Could you ask Kevin what he knows of UFO rods and what
he thinks of them?

<KRandle> Not much. KR

<forgiette> what do you thinks of the sts-52 unknown objects.

<KRandle> I haven't looked at that very closely. I did some work on
STS-48 which was very interesting.

<KRandle> Jack Kasher shared a look of his information with me on
that. KR

<etech> I am unfamiliar with the "Montana movie", are you aware of
any government team sent to Malmstrom AFB to study UFO's?

<KRandle> The Montana Movie was taken over Great Falls,`Montana in
1950. Shows two bright objects. The Air Force thought they might be
airplanes landing at Great Falls AFB which was renamed Malmstrom. KR

<VVazza> Kevin, it seems the majority of ufo sightings happen in
USA, is there something special about usa, as apart from the rest of
the world?

<KRandle> Nope. I just think we might have a better reporting
system. Lots of good stuff in South America and Europe. KR

<Benat2> Without any cursing, whats your opinion of Richard Boylan,
if any?

<KRandle> People, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm going to have to
bow out shortly. KR

<Raine> No problem Kevin just a couple of questions left
<Raine> if that is ok with you?

<KRandle> Boylan lost his license to practice and rightly so. He was
imprinting his own opinoins and beliefs on his clients. KR.

<KRandle> Let's do it. KR

<uranian> crow, question for Kevin, what does he think of the Dogon
tribe re: Sirius being binary star <Crow> ok no more questions now
folks

<KRandle> I haven't taken a solid look at it. I find things like
that interesting but haven't had a chance to do any real research. KR

<Snakker> How does a military/government employee know that a given
*event* is considered classified (as opposed to a document, which is
marked or only shown in a classified environment)? How do government
employees know they shouldn't discuss a UFO event? Does an officer
always proactively tell them?

<KRandle> If you are not directly involved in classified programs
but are exposed to them, you are told

<KRandle> that it is classified. So, if you see a UFO and the
government doesn't want you to talk, they tell you. KR

<VVazza> MIB was of course a fictional movie, but i have heard of
similar govt agents working on undercover cover ups (not FBI) is
this true?

<KRandle> I think MIB was a wonderful movie. Do I think there is a
real MIB phenomenon? Nope. KR

<etech> FYI, there was a team there studying them about 1976 when I
was there, but they were very stand-offish, not surprisingly.
<Raine> This is the last one

<KRandle> I've run into some people looking into it but never seen
any good evidence. KR

<Raine> Thank you Kevin for a very interesting and informative
evening, it was a great pleasure meeting you. We appreciate the time
and effort you have put in tonight, please feel free to pop in again
sometime. Good luck with all you do.

<Nesssus> Thank you very much for taking the time to be with us
tonight Kevin it is GREATLY appreciated by all.

<Crow> Can I just say a very big thank you to you Kevin, from all of
us in #ufo. You have made a great guest and we are honoured to have
had you join us. May I wish you all the very best of luck for the
future and please keep up the very high standard of work we have
been accustomed to expect from you. :) <Crow> we will now go into -m
unmoderated mode

<KRandle> Thank all of you for your kindness and interest in my
work. If I can help, please let me know. KR

*** K9 sets mode: -m

<buck7> Thanks Kevin. Come back again.
<Benat2> ya know for the record
* ariella thanks KRandle for a great chat
<Raine> yes please come back again Kevin, it was a real pleasure :)
<KRandle> Sure will. Good night.KR <Benat2> cya <Benat2> have a good
sleep <Crow> thanks kevin bye <forgiette> nite krandle <EbE> Bye
<pharmcat> Thanks Kevin! <Alien> Oh one last thing before you go.
BYE!! <Benat2> oh ya and Happy Easter <Raine> Nite KRandle <Snakker>
Thanks for answering our questions. Hope to see you back sometime. *
stu7 waves to KR <tom1> Thanks keep up the good work ! <^Darren> Thank
you Kevin. *** KRandle has quit IRC (KRandle)

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United Kingdom News
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[UK 1]******

uk.ufo.nw says: A report from last year but the Cornish coast of
Britain continues to have sightings.

Source: Cornish Guardian
Publish Date: 13th February 1997

UFO shock for student

DRAMA student Matt Punter claims he had to slam on his car brakes
after being confronted by a UFO near his Pensilva home in South East
Cornwall. The 18-year-old was travelling home late at night when he
became aware of something directly over his car.

"I suddenly had to duck and slam on the brakes," he said. "My first
thought was that a plane was crashing in the road in front of me.
"Then it stopped about 10 metres further down the road. It was four
different coloured lights in a square with no substance to it at
all. "The highest one was about eight metres in the air. It stopped
there only for one second. I felt like it was looking at me while I
was looking at it. Then it just went." Matt said: "I always thought
people who claimed to see UFO's were a bit sad. But now I know what
they were on about."

[UK 2]******

Source: Daily Mail newspaper (UK)
Publish Date: Monday 27th April 1998

RAF track mystery craft over north sea - and fighters can't catch it

24,000mph UFO buzzes Britain

By DAVID DERBYSHIRE
Science Correspondent

THE RAF has tracked a UFO `as big as a battleship' off the coast of
Britain, military sources revealed yesterday. They said the massive
craft was tracked flying in a zig-zag pattern at 17,000mph over the
North Sea. It then accelerated to 24,000mph and zoomed off towards
the Atlantic.

The Dutch air force also tracked the UFO, but two F-16 fighters
scrambled to intercept the object were unable to keep up, it is
claimed. RAF officials are said to be baffled by the object, spotted
by the Ministry of Defence long-range listening station on
Fylingdales moor in North Yorkshire.

`It was definitely under control, judging by the various manoeuvres
executed,' said a source. `It appeared to be triangular and was
around the size of a battleship (about 900ft long).'

Radar records of the craft are due to be presented to science and
military experts from around the world, who will examine how to
exploit space for milltary purposes at a conference at RAF College,
Cranwell, Lincolnshire, in June. Other tapes of  the UFO - thought
to have been made during the last two years are being withheld
because they give too to much information about the radar base's
scanning ability.

However, military chiefs may release a second series of tapes,
reported to show 12 UFOs changing shape in mid-flight.

While the `battleship' UFO is most likely to be an experimental
aircraft or a sighting caused by a freak weather effect, UFO watchers
believe it is further evidence that the Earth is being visited by
alien craft.

The popularity of TV series such as the X-Files has rekindled
interest in flying saucers and conspiracy theories in recent years.

A spokesman for the Fortean Times, the journal devoted to UFOs,
psychic phenomena and the paranormal, said: `The vast majority of
strange objects seen in the sky have a more down-to-earth
explanation. But most UFO investigators would be very interested in
seeing these tapes.' The latest theory gaining popularity among some
dedicated UFO watchers is that the military deliberately release
stories about UFOs as a 'smokescreen' - and that witnesses are really
seeing top secret experimental aircraft.

The base at RAF Fylingdales has been watching the skies since the
end of the Cold War. A large pyramid shaped, 360 degree radar has now
replaced the gigantic landmark 'golfballs' tracking system.

The base has concentrated on tracking satellites and pieces of junk
circling the Earth.

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