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From: Darren Danks <darren@darrend.demon.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 01:34:09 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:40:48 -0400
Subject: Statement From Nick Redfern And Irene Bott

 STATEMENT FROM NICK REDFERN AND IRENE BOTT, 9 MAY 1998.


Over the course of the last few days, a series of statements have
been put out by Tim Matthews in which it has been mentioned that
we 'got' Tim 'barred' from speaking at the Cornwall conference
this coming August. This is nonsense!

This is the situation: In the latter part of 1997, we penned an
article for Alien Encounters magazine (see the Christmas 1997
issue for the complete article, or contact Nick for a copy of the
text of the article) on the so-called 'flying triangles'. We had
discovered at the Public Record Office at Kew that there were a
number of reports on file of huge (in some cases 200 feet in
length) 'triangles' seen over the United Kingdom in the period
1952-65. In view of this, we concluded that, in our opinion, not
all of the 'triangles' were (a) a recent phenomenon; and/or (b)
the results of secret aircraft testing.

As a result of the publication of the article (which, in fact,
referred to Tim as being 'respected' and we actually praised his
research!) an item appeared in one of Eric Morris's newsletters
commenting in an unwarranted fashion with regard to the article.
In view of this, we took a decision to disassociate ourselves
from Eric.

Several months ago, Tim sent a letter to Irene which contained
comments which both of us considered unwarranted and
unacceptable. As with Eric, we then took a decision to sever all
ties with Tim, too.

Now to the crux of the issue: the Cornwall conference. We are
entitled to mix with whom we please (as, of course, is anyone
-even Tim and Eric) and we choose not to be in the company of
Eric or Tim. Therefore, when Nick was asked if he was willing to
speak at the Cornwall conference, he said 'Yes', but reiterated
our stance re Eric and Tim: We will not speak at events where
they are speaking nor will we attend as audience members at talks
and conferences where they are speaking.

Now, our comments to the Cornwall group re the above amounted to
no more than a 45-second passing statement. Moreover, Nick does
not know the organiser, and has never spoken with him prior to
the phone call to Nick inviting him to speak. In view of this,
the idea that we could have some form of sway over the Cornwall
group and could somehow influence them as to who they should have
on their speaker list is absurd! We are not that influential!
Furthermore, if the Cornwall group want Tim to speak at their
conference they are quite at liberty to invite him, but we would
not even consider attending in any capacity whatsoever.

Ironically, in the past Irene has invited Tim and Eric to speak
on several occasions before her group and they have readily
accepted these offers and neither of us have any bias regarding
the research of Tim, Eric or indeed anyone. We are very
open-minded on the subject and believe there is room in the
subject for all manner of theories provided that matters are
addressed in a professional manner.

In conclusion, then, these are the facts:

(a)	For personal reasons stemming from the situation arising from
our 'flying triangle' article in Alien Encounters, we do not wish
to have contact with, or be in the company of, either Tim or
Eric.

(b)	None of this has a bearing on Tim's research. In fact, Nick
actually agrees with some of Tim's conclusions. Moreover, if
anyone has seen Nick's new book, The FBI Files, you will see a
chapter in there on Nazi-designed flying saucers and Nick states
that in his opinion the Nazis were designing and building such
craft! So much for the idea that we are only interested in and
believe in ET-based UFO technology!

(c)	In view of our stance, if a conference organiser decides to
book Nick and not Eric or Tim (or, indeed, Eric and Tim but not
Nick), then that is up to the conference organiser and not us. To
reiterate: with regard to the Cornwall conference, Nick doesn't
even know the organiser, let alone have the ability to sway his
views on who he should have speaking for him!

(d)	We are quite sure that in view of our stance, some conference
organisers will decide to book Tim as opposed to us. That's fine-
we have no problems with Tim or Eric airing their views. We won't
be throwing tantrums about it or posting further E-mails saying
that our research is being stifled.

(e)	With regard to Tim's comment that 'maybe a trip to the next
Staffordshire UFO Group meeting is called for' , Irene would like
to suggest that he saves his petrol expenses and uses it to serve
a better purpose in his research, as he would be most unwelcome,
will not be admitted, and that should any of her group wish to
hear him talk, they are quite at their liberty to travel to his
quote/unquote 'well-attended Lancashire UFO Society lectures' .

(f)	Despite all that has gone on regarding the above, at no time
in the past week or so did Tim contact either of us to determine
the facts behind any statements, inaccuracies etc re our stance
regarding Tim, Eric, the flying triangles or the Cornwall
conference - or indeed any conference.

(g)	In a conversation with Dave Gillham (the organiser of the
Cornwall conference) only two days ago, we were informed that
they were not even contemplating having Tim on the bill in the
first place. Also, we were advised by Dave that he would be E-
mailing Tim and advising him of this.

(h)	Irene is unaware of being 'not very popular with anyone in
East Anglia, or groups in Kent' and does not understand the
meaning behind this. Does anyone else?

(i)	Also, Irene has had only spoken to Max Burns on three
occasions in total, is not therefore in 'regular weekly contact'
with him, as Tim states, nor is Irene 'acting as a fixer' -
whatever the hell one of those is!!

(j)	Re the East Anglian UFO footage of David Spoor: Irene and
Nick are friends of David; however, David has an agent to handle
the footage (Jonathan Downes) and therefore all dealings re the
footage are the domain of David and Jon and not Irene!

(k)	Finally, as we have better things to do with our time, this
statement will be the first and last official statement we will
make on the above matters. For some time, we ignored the ill-
feeling which was coming our way, but now feel the time is right
to make a stand. For those of you who have read Tim's comments re
this entire controversy we would say this: now you have our side
of the story. Judge for yourself. Anything else put out by Tim re
the above will be ignored by us from now on.

NOTE:	over the last few days we have received numerous letters,
calls, faxes, e-mails and personal visits from people in the UFO
field supporting our stance. To all those, we say thank you.

IMPORTANT:	This is our only statement on these matters, Any
additional comments which may or may not be made by others which
in any way mention the above are not sanctioned by us in any way
shape or form, and will be the personal comments of the person(s)
concerned.