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From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:26:04 -0000
Fwd Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:06:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Camp Borden and UFOs


>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>To: UFO UpDates Subscribers:;
>Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Camp Borden and UFOs
>Date: 14 November 1998 23:27

>Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 02:08:16 -0800
>From: Larry Hatch <larryhat@jps.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Camp Borden and UFOs

>Dear Jim, Nick and Errol: Please see below:

>>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
>>Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:57:23 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Re: Camp Borden and UFOs

>>>Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:56:00 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time)
>>>From: Nick Balaskas <nikolaos@YorkU.CA>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Camp Borden and UFOs

>>>Hi Errol,

>>>Maybe there is a now forgotten reason why UFO books
>>>at one time in the past could only be found in the
>>>Occult Section of bookstores...

>><snip>

>>Stateside, any large booksellers have the UFO section mixed in
>>with New Age..... UFO related material, in fact, can only be
>>found under the New Age banner....

>>This is interesting in that it reflects the manner in which this
>>subject is perceived by the ROW (Rest Of the World)..... the ROW
>>being anyone not interested in the subject sufficiently to
>>actually look for books on the subject ... therefore those who
>>are (interested in the subject) immediately flock to the New Age
>>section in order to find UFO material and we wonder why the hell
>>it's there! At least I do.

>>And as long as I am opining once again, there is little which is
>>shared between New Age and UFOs except that each may be
>>perceived as strange enough to lump them together along with
>>witches, channeling, ghosts. Poltergeists and etc.

>>Hmmm.... on the other hand.....?!? Nah.

>>Jim Mortellaro

>Many years ago I naively asked where the UFO books were in a
>large local non-chain bookstore. This particular store was a
>sort of haunt for left-of-center self-styled intellectuals,
>among other things.

>(One time some neo-nazi type fired a bullet through the plate
>glass window! Fortunately he was caught.)

>The fellow behind the counter, who appeared to write me off as a
>dolt, directed me to the Occult section. I believe I detected a
>note of self righteousness. (Is self-leftousness a word? )

>I found a rather poor selection of UFO books, but there were
>tons of stuff on astrology, Edgar Cayce .. you name it .. even
>different versions of the Tarot deck, all artful and pricey.

>Now, at least at Barnes and Noble, I find them in the
>"Alternative Reality" section, ( my term, I forget how they
>labeled those shelves ) which is basically new age, new
>religion, with a lot of occult sprinkled in.

>I do not expect to find UFO books sandwiched in between
>the classics of physics and chemistry.

>What they could do, space permitting, would be to set aside a
>shelf or two for fringe sciences; subjects like exobiology,
>xenobiology (bigfoot/loch-ness monster etc.), ESP and a host of
>other topics that are interesting but unproven.

>But, aha! Therein lies the rub!

>All the stuff I frown on would try to jump onto the same shelf!
>Astrologers would point to what they consider good evidence.
>Remote viewing, near-death experience, every guest Art Bell ever
>had .. they would all demand space on this same shelf!

Personally, I hope that when my first book comes out in the USA
next January it will be placed with aviation and popular science
books.

This is certainly what I requested from the publishers! UFO
books in the UK are housed either in popular science or 'Mind,
Body and Spirit' - Waterstones and Dillons in any case..

This is not a good thing - especially for those of use who
remain entirely unconvinced by the UFO-ET 'link'.

I haven't had any bullets yet - although my P.O.Box in Southport
did receive some razor blades. How kind.....

Tim