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From: Marie Ivey <jmi@aretha.jax.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:43:27 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:10:25 -0500
Subject: Re:  UASR]> UASR and CAUS - Statement


>Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 01:36:16 -0500
>From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: [UASR]>UASR and CAUS - Statement

>>Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:31:50 -0400
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jerry Cohen <rjcohen@li.net>
>>Subject: Re: UASR and CAUS - Statement

>>>From: Perry van den Brink <UASR@gmx.net>
>>>Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 17:24:17 +0100
>>>Fwd Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:45:54 -0500
>>>Subject: [UASR]>UASR and CAUS - Statement


>><snip>

>>>Please understand that we have not taken this action lightly,
>>>and that we have had immense respect for CAUS in the past, and I
>>>am sure we will do once again in the future, but for the time
>>>being we did not want to crowd our list with what we felt was
>>>information that was not pertinent to _our_ charter: Scientific
>>>investigation of UFOs, Aliens and Space Research.

>>>Thank you

>>>Dave Pigott & Lieve Peten
>>>Moderators, UASR.
>>>&
>>>Perry van den Brink,
>>>owner UASR.

<snip>

>So I am not surprised but I am shocked at the justifications for
>censorship that are being posted by other members of this list.
>This is reprehensible, particularly so because of the reasoning
>that is being used - sentiments to the effect that the
>respectability of the field is somehow diminished by Peter's
>postings.  That he has in someway strayed to far from logic or
>some other value that the critic holds dear.

>Well face it folks, just by subscribing and participating in a
>list like this you are placing yourself way beyond two standard
>deviations from the norm.  It hardly seems to me that this is
>the forum for the pot to be calling the kettle black. These
>sentiments would better belong in the CISCOP journal than in
>suppressing Peter's postings. Yet there is much to be gained
>from reading all of these sources directly, uncensored and I do.
>I think that having Peter posting and having the opportunity to
>correspond with him is of inestimable value.

>Till now where else could one observe players in the field in
>action? For instance...

>We have had the opportunity to observe Kal Korff in full
>debunking mode flash in and out of this list, ignoring any and
>all calls for response to David Rudiaks postings.  Korff even
>threatened his livelihood!  Was he censored for that behavior?
>Why no, as we all have seen.

>We have seen wonderful fragfests involving and tens of postings
>by "famous" names in this field leading absolutely nowhere and
>furthering no research goal in the field other than perhaps
>character assassinations.  Were these individuals censored for
>their behavior? Why no, as we all have seen.

>I could cite several other examples but I am sure you get my
>drift.

>I know Peter is doing me no harm when I read his posts and I am
>sure that you know he is doing none to you either.

<snip>

Agreed! Censorship seems inappropriate for these lists unless,
of course, there are those making personal attacks. We need all
views to sort out what we can reasonably accept. No censorship
without just "Caus".

Best regards, Marie