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From: Robert Todd <RTodd12191@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:28:45 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 20:52:14 -0400
Subject: Re: David Rudiak's Pro-ET Roswell Postings


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: David Rudiak's Pro-ET Roswell Postings
>Date: Wed, 30 Sep 98 10:44:06 PDT

>>From: Robert Todd <RTodd12191@aol.com>
>>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:32:02 EDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: David Rudiak's Pro-ET Roswell Postings

>>>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: David Rudiak's Pro-ET Roswell Postings
>>>Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:50:24 -0400

>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: David Rudiak's Pro-ET Roswell Postings
>>>Date: Sun, 27 Sep 98 11:38:25 PDT

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>>Remove me from the list, please. Obviously, I'm not worthy.

>So Bob Todd has taken his marbles and gone home with
>them.

As usual, Clark assigns to my statements the most demeaning
interpretation possible in the hope it will produce a nasty
response against which he can rail, all the while pretending to
be the very model of the civilized discourse he claims to love
so much. In short, his interpretation is little more than a
vehicle intended to provoke a nasty response, and nothing more.
The intent is clear, and it invalidates his interpretation as
nothing more than a manipulative technique. As such,
it is not worthy of a response.

Nevertheless, I see no point whatsoever in continuing a debate
on the Roswell myth. If Clark and others want to believe an
alien spaceship crashed in New Mexico in July of 1947, I
couldn't care less. The debate is pointless. And I otherwise see
no reason to subject myself to Clark's snotty, snooty,
holier-than-thou insults just to please him. If Clark wishes to
interpret my withdraw from the debate as taking my marbles and
going home for a good snit, so be it. But know that Clark has an
agenda, and that he is a propagandist is every sense of the
word.

Likewise, any attempt to chase the charlatans and con men from
the UFO field is just as pointless. It can't be done, and I no
longer intend to waste my time trying. It simply doesn't matter
to me. I've wasted more than enough time on Roswell and the
Roswell con men. It's long past time to move on to something
productive for a change. And let me save Clark the trouble by
proclaiming myself that I am taking my marbles and going home
for a good snit, maybe two or three snits (they're cheaper by
the dozen).

>I guess the moral of the story is that some people
>can dish it out but they can't take it.

I can take anything Clark can dish out. But why would I _want_
to? It serves no purpose other than to entertain Clark, who
apparently has a lot of empty time on his hands.

Clark's provoking post clearly shows that he desires to continue
the exchange of insults. In fact, the _only_ purpose his posting
serves is to insult me, and to egg me on to respond to those
insults. Obviously, he _wants_ the nastiness to continue. While
this seems inconsistent with the righteous indignation he
expressed over my alleged use of ad hominem attacks (although he
has yet to explain how exposing the liars in the UFO field does
not help the field), I long ago accepted the fact that Clark is
an arrogant little hypocrite. He has demonstrated his hypocrisy
on this list numerous times in just the past several days.

So Clark can insult me all he wants, and pretend that I really
give a damn what he thinks of me. As hard as this might be for
him to learn, I didn't get involved with the UFO subject to gain
_his_ praise, or_ his_ approval, or wind up in and of _his_ (or
anybody else's) books. Stanton "I've Been To More Archives Than
Anybody Else In The World" Friedman just loves that kind of
stuff. I'm sure Clark has earned his gratitude by inserting his
name in strategic locations throughout his books. I wouldn't
know. I have two of Clark's books, but I haven't read either
one. Frankly, he is an excruciatingly boring writer, and I've
never found him to be terribly informative -- pretentious and
pompous, yes, but not very informative. I yawn just looking at
his books.

So, Clark can sling all the insults he wants. He can show us
what his brand of "civil discourse" really is like. He can show
us how he's superior to, and more sophisticated, and more
learned than all of us combined. Let's see him set the example
he wants everybody else to follow, but which, up until now, he's
had terrible difficulty following himself. Let him show us the
"noble" Jerome Clark. So far, all we've seen is his snotty,
snooty, sanctimonious side.

But don't expect a response from me. I mean, I'll be far too
busy having a snit or two. And after I've had my snits, I'll
move on to something far more productive than debating Roswell,
and satisfying Clark's enormous ego.

What a complete waste of time Roswell has been. The most I can
hope for is that those people who are keeping the myth alive
will waste even more of their time on it. I'm moving on.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm overdue for another snit. If I
don't have at least one snit every day, I'm cranky the whole
week.

Robert Todd
Waterboy