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From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:39:35 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:59:27 -0400
Subject: Re: 

There has been an article circulating on the Internet for the past
couple of weeks which quotes Ed Dames as discussing some key
Scientology concepts/terms on one of his training tapes.  It's a
well-known fact that some of the early researchers into remote viewing
were one-time Scientologists.  But this article goes into conspiracy
hyper-drive in connecting WAY too many dots.

The article speculates that these early researchers were very
highly-placed Scientologists. I haven't seen any evidence of that and
given the emotional tone of the article from the Veritas group and
their behavior toward me when I tried to clarify a few things, I
wouldn't accept any of the content there as gospel.  I haven't seen
the Dames tape in question, I believe it's tape #2 in his series, but
I'm not sure.  I will take their word for the fact that Ed actually
said these things (although perhaps that's too large an assumption).

The article is quite lengthy, but someone on one of the mailing lists
described the bottom line like so,

> Why Does Scientology's Church of Spiritual Technology own copyrights ot
> technologies used by the CIA and PSI-Tech's Major Ed Dames? And why did Ed
> Dames deny it on a popular National Radio Show?

To which I responded:

They DON'T!  I tried to clear this up with the Veritas people -- the
ones who originally posted this article -- a couple of weeks ago.
They were quite uninterested in discovering the truth of the matter
and accused me of being a disinformation agent!  Harrumph!

I have been trained through the Advanced level of "CRV" or "Controlled
Remote Viewing," which is one form of remote viewing taught and used
at the Ft Meade unit.   The person who taught me, who is one of the
ex-military remote viewers (NOT Ed Dames, who wasn't a viewer in any
case), is teaching the exact same remote viewing that they used in the
unit. And I can tell you, without hesitation -- and if you don't
believe me there are about 200 other trained CRVers you can ask --
NONE of the Scientology terminology or concepts themselves referred to
in this article are part of CRV.  None.  Nada. Zip.

I don't know if Ed Dames is or was a Scientologist.  I choose to
ignore him for a multitude of reasons, the least of which is this
possible connection.

It should be evident to ANYONE with the sort of interests that would
lead them to subscribe to a list like this that Ed Dames is a
renegade! The other Ft Meade remote viewers have made that fairly
(although politely) clear on Art Bell and other venues.  And they
certainly aren't promoting the kind of apocalytic BS that Ed peddles
on Art Bell every other week.  (Well...I guess he'll have to find
another venue for awhile.)

The inclusion of Scientology concepts on Ed Dames' training tapes
isn't the only deviation from traditional CRV, there are several at
least -- none of which are an improvement and to a trained CRVer
several don't even make sense.  (Not just my opinion, my
well-circulated critique of Ed's first tape was met with many
compliments from some of the ex-military RVers, so I guess they
concur.)

Ed Dames is a strange dude. Originally he claimed he'd "improved" on
Controlled Remote Viewing, but used the old xeroxes of the original
military manual as his own training manual, not even bothering to
change the cover page to reflect his new "TRV" nomenclature.  Later he
comes out with the training tapes and THEN he decides to deviate from
the more traditional form.  And perhaps he thought a few Scientology
concepts would enhance something...I wouldn't know.

It might make for good conspiracy reading to link the CIA and
Scientology and SRI and the Army and so on, and so on.  But it's not
reality.

HAVE I MADE MYSELF CLEAR?



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Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>