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From: Ed Stewart <ufoindex@jps.net>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:21:18 -0700
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:05:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Failure Of The 'Science' Of Obergian Debunking


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: Failure Of The 'Science' Of Obergian Debunking
>Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 20:32:55 PDT

>>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:45:17 -0700
>>From: Ed Stewart <ufoindex@jps.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Failure Of The 'Science' Of Obergian Debunking

<snip>

For the record, new readers can pick up the thread from the
archives in UFOMIND by clicking either on my name or Jerome
Clark's name and the entire archived thread from the inception
will become available.

Jerome Clark's ufological wisdom portrays the following
clap-trap:

>The Sturrock
>panel's conclusions show us what the best ufology, and the best
>ufologists, can accomplish, and they give us some reason for
>optimism about future prospects.

After hearing the best ufology from the best ufologists, these
are some of the conclusions of the Sturrock panel. From the
Summary Report of the Scientific Review Panel:


	"On the other hand, the review panel was not convinced that
any of the evidence involved currently unknown physical
processes or pointed to the involvement of an extraterrestrial
intelligence."

	"It appears that most current UFO investigations are
carried out at a level of rigor that is not consistent with
prevailing standards of scientific research."

	"The panel concluded that further analysis of the evidence
presented at the workshop is unlikely to elucidate the cause or
causes of the reports."


In other words, the evidence presented was unconvincing that it
involved anything unknown to science, that the evidence
presented was unscientific and that further analysis of the
evidence presented would not be productive. Let me put it in
other terms: Where is the beef? Where is the Science? No, we
don't want to look at it again!

It went further on extenting the conclusion of Dr. Edward U.
Condon of the Colorado Study that:

	"nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21
years [add another 29 years now to it] that has added to
scientific knowledge."

Yet, the Sturrock panel is being sold to us as if it validates
ufology? I suspect the entire UFO community needs to assume a
wait and see
attitude inspite of Jerome Clark's ufological wisdom.

No where does it imply any validation of ufology contrary to
what some people would like everybody to believe.

Not only that, but there is already one voice of dissent on the
public record from the participating group of scientists in the
panel, Dr. H.J. Melosh, a meteorologist who was interviewed for
BBC. Dr. Melosh is reputed to have said that the panel wasn't
independent because they had connections with the UFO community
and it was allegedly clear to him that the panel was not clean.
Dr. Melosh went on allegedly to say that the so-called evidence
was not convincing and it was un-scientific with no hard
evidence available. He went on to say that he for one was not
going to spent any more time on the subject of UFOs.

>In the meantime, however: if you want to be treated with kid
>gloves, don't box with the heavyweights.

Say Muhammad Clark, I am over here, not over there.

Ed Stewart
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