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From: Stig Agermose <Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk>
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:46:18 +0200
Fwd Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:22:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Public Urged To Attend Area 51 Hearings

Source: Norio Hayakawa via "alt.ufo.reports".

Stig

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From: groomwatch@aol.com (GroomWatch)
Newsgroups: alt.ufo.reports
Subject: Public urged to attend coming hearings on AREA 51
Date: 20 Oct 1998 07:49:09 GMT

The Air Force has just filed (on September 21, 1998) an
application to extend its past withdrawal of approximately 3
million acres of public land for the Nellis Air Force Range
(including 2,900,000 acres they expropriated in 1986,  90,000
acres that surround the controversial AREA 51/Groom Lake area
and the Groom Mountains that they expropriated in 1988 and the
4,000 acres of Whites Sides/Freedom Ridge area adjacent to AREA
51 that they expropriated in 1995).

According to the official public notice posted on the Federal
Register (October 2, 1998......Volume 63, Number 191, notices,
page 53096-53097):

The withdrawal of land will expire on November 5, 2001, unless
extended. The Air Force states that it has "determined there is
a continuing military need for the land". The Air Force also
says that "the Range is used as a national test and training
facility for military equipment and personnel. The Range
provides for realistic, secure, simulation of a battle area,
complete with surface and air defense systems, command/control
systems, and targets. These activities need to be performed in a
secure area to ensure public safety".

The withdrawal extension requires legislative action by the
Congress. For a period of 90 days from October 2, 1998, ALL
CONCERNED CITIZENS who wish to submit comments, suggestions, or
objections in connection with the proposed withdrawal extension
may present their views in writing to the Nevada State Director
of the Bureau of Land Management. Comments should be sent to the
Nevada State Director, BLM,  1340 Financial Blvd., P.O. Box
12000, Reno, Nevada 89520. (For further information, contact:
Dennis J. Samuelson,  702-861-6532).

There will be 7 public meetings. The purpose of these meetings
is for ALL interested persons to comment on the proposed
extension of the withdrawal and the associated draft legislative
environmental impact statement.

Each meeting will begin with an open house at 6:30 p.m. The
purpose of the open house is for people to gather information on
the proposed land withdrawal extension and ask questions.
Representatives from the Air Force will be there to answer
questions. A formal public hearing will begin at 7:30 p.m. for
each meeting and will continue until 10:00 p.m. ALL CONCERNED
CITIZENS  will be given the opportunity to make formal remarks
during the hearing. The 7 meetings will be conducted at the
following locations on the dates indicated:

November 9, 1998,  Indian Springs Community Center, Indian Springs, NV.
November 10, 1998,  El Dorado High School, Las Vegas, NV.
November 11, 1998, Caliente Youth Center, Caliente, NV.
November 12, 1998, Pahrump Valley High School, Pahrump, NV.
November 13, 1998, Beatty High School, Beatty, NV.
November 16, 1998, Tonopah Convention Center, Tonopah, NV.
November 17, 1998, Airport Plaza Hotel, Reno, NV.

We urge ALL concerned citizens (as well as the newsmedia) to
attend any of these meetings. We are not against the
government's legitimate use of the Nellis Air Force Range
(including AREA 51) for the realization of much needed research,
development and testing as part of the continual effort to
improve all aspects of our strategic national defense programs.
It will be a great chance to voice the public's concerns,
however, on several AREA 51-related yet unresolved issues: for
example:

Who or whatever is in charge of AREA 51 needs to be held
accountable for what may be numerous criminal infractions
against Constitutionally mandated rights of American citizens.
With this in mind, we would like to present the following
specific proposals at the meetings:

1) that the government, through its most appropriate agency
(whichever one may be designated) and through publicly
recognized media, give a statement, once and for all, of
assurance that the former AREA 51 workers were or are being
medically treated for their illnesses contracted while toxic
substances were illegally burnt on the site

2) that the government construct a clearly marked new fence or
other substantial border structure all along the restricted
boundary line, particularly on both sides of Groom Lake Road,
instead of vague, thin orange posts posted wide apart.

3) that the government construct a new guard shack right at the
restricted boundary line on Groom Lake Road, instead of the
present guard shack which is more than a third of a mile inside
the restricted area.

4) that a recognized Public Affairs Office be established
specifically for this base, not the PA office at Nellis AFB
which is apparently neither cleared nor qualified to give decent
information regarding the base since its is apparently not a
Nellis asset.

5) that the government give this multifaceted base a more
concrete designation and mission description, and not just a
vague designation like "an operating base by Groom Lake", which
is still being used. The lack of an official name of the base
could bring about more problems in the future when dealing with
future accidents, employee-compensation cases or any other legal
efforts relating to the base and its
activities should such situations arise in the future.

Hope to see you there!!!

http://members.aol.com/GroomWatch

http://www.eagle-net.org/groomwatch


Norio Hayakawa
 who also produces
the excellent Journal The circular review, and he makes a good
cup of tea to boot. As he lives only ten minutes from myself.

And he would have to disagree with the circle makers.

>that's where I drew my conclusions

That would be nice but it would appear that you are drawing
there conclusions not your conclusions, and you have allready
stated that what you have to say is irelervent.

>So maybe they can burst your paranormal bubble for you Roy,
>I mean Max.

I see your memory is going again, here's an important tip, the
first name in at the top of this mail has the name of the person
on it who you are responding to..make things easy to follow,
Errol the Bruce,  had this done so that people from lots of
different places around mundane planet earth can interact and
understand the format easily it also makes the job of formatting
for the updates crew at little easier if you forget my name then
scroll back its at the top

So if you wish to call me by some one else's name its ok as you
have already informed me that what you think is irelervent.
Low self esteem and paranoia that a bad mix.

>In no more than twenty words, can you give a brief but mundane
>explanation, as to the origin of the whole thing?

>If you mean ufology then no, can you?

There is nothing mundane about ufology.

>Max I think you have both over stepped the mark on your sarcasm,
>you seem to think I have a problem with ufology.

Your contradicting your self again, you said
>Because I don't personally get upset if the answers don't go my
>way, it appears others do.

I do not think you have got a problem with ufology i think you
have got a problem with some unknown pecieved threat from Roy
Hale. I dont care about what you think is going on with Roy
Hale, I have responded to your post, with questions and comment,
to which the purpose the list sevice is designed to do, and you
have spent your time taliking about  this other person and
washing machines, i do not care about anything other than have
you answered the questions that i put to you, just me on my own
no help needed, And you have not

You have got a problem, paranoid

>Tony
>Proof by procrastination
>Watch the BBC test card

Why is there a crop circle in the center?

Max Burns  ( On his own)