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From: Serge Salvaille <sergesa@connectmmic.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:08:36 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:50:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Unidentified Flying Hatchet


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Unidentified Flying Hatchets
>Date: Mon, 26 Oct 98 11:09:08 PST

>>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>>Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 14:35:34 +0000
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Unidentified Fly Hatchets

Jerome,

I trash "Re: Failure Of The 'Science' Of Obergian Debunking"
every time I see "Ed Stewart" and "Jerome Clark" in the header.
The first text of "Unidentified Flying Hatchets" was a call for
peace between Ed Stewart and yourself, something like "bury the
hatchet guys and go smoke a joint".  You are using this here
thread as still another forum to drive Ed Stewart to the ground.
You are going to far.

This is disgraceful.  All of this is disgraceful.

Believers refuse the pertinent facts and systematically use
tangents to adhere to their credo "nothing will ever make me
change my mind".  In this respect, debunkers are wide-eyed
believers: they do not differentiate themselves from the adepts
of urine-therapy and of raellian philosophy.  Meeting these
people usually ends up in very short conversations - unless you
want to loose your time. (Looks like I have just insulted the
debunkers.  Please don't take this personally people.  It is my
opinion and I won't fumigate you any more than necessary <g>.)

I understand that Ed is no piece of cake. This is no reason to
treat him like a piece of shit. If you find pleasure in
insulting people then you have a big problem.  Not being a
hater, but deliberately provoking hate, is a dishonorable
attitude: hypocrite at best.

When you write:

>I have made an effort to put something productive into this,
>namely a fair amount of obscure information list readers may be
>unfamiliar with and that may be of interest and use to them. I
>have kept my responses to Ed's continuing accusations that I am
>the lowest form of human in a mostly tongue-in-cheek vein, which
>I don't think anybody would accuse Stewart of doing. I do the
>suggestion that somehow Ed and I are equally morally culpable in
>this.

>I do agree, though, that Ed's views are neither interesting nor
>edifying.

I feel freaking ashamed, like a witness to something vile.

You are not a gentle man, Jerome.  You may pride yourself with
civilized distinguished manners, but I suggest that, like all
members of the gentry, you remember that you are only as good as
the way you treat people, any people.

P.S. Please refrain in using any eventual reply as a
justification for an unjustifiable attitude.  You have done this
consistently in other replies to other people and have only
succeeded in making a fool of yourself.  Enough is enough.

Serge Salvaille