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From: Greg St. Pierrre <StrmNut@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:56:39 EDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 00:14:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Space-based Microwaves & Crop Circles

>Date: Thu, 03 Sep 1998 23:26:05 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Michael Christol <mchristo@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Space-based Microwaves & Crop Circles


>I won't even try to argue or rebut the following discourse.

A bit late for that, don't you think?

>I am not a Physicist, and don't claim to be. I am simply a UFO
>Investigator, who has been studying this phenomena since the
>late 1950's.

You may not be a physicist, but as a (self proclaimed) UFO
investigator, you should have some knowledge of basic physics,
among other things, if you ever hope to be able to distinguish
between the mundane and the unusual. If you don't care about the
methods and knowledge used to distinguish between the two, then
IMO you shouldn't be a UFO investigator, because you can't
determine what is identifiable and what is not, especially if
you answer each strange report with "Obviously some kind of
military vehicle."

>I am not impressed with the present application of physics in
>these messages. It simply implys to me that someone wants to
>impress us with their knowledge of physics and higher
>mathmatics. I am not nor do I have an interest in such a
>display.

No one is trying to impress you. Do you always react that way
when confronted by someone more knowledgeable than you? I for
one am glad that Mr. Rudiak spoke up. He simply presented some
good reasons why satellites are not likely to be the culprits
behind the crop circle phenomenon. IMO, everyone on this list
has opinions. Occasionally we venture them at some risk. If you
don't want a pet theory of yours to get "beaten up" then don't
stick it out. If you don't mind, then prepare to defend your
position with information or reasonably good data. If you can't
defend it adequately, you lose.

>In fact, I am not "adding to the UFO Lore," but removing UFOs
>from the equasion.

If you are removing UFOs from the "equasion", then why are you a
UFO investigator? They have not removed us from the equation,
I'm happy to observe. New reports come in every day.

>Why is it that it is more likely that E.T.'s,
>cross the Universe or jump through time and dimension, and let
>us know they are here by creating crop glyphs. I don't think so.
>I don't know how they are being created, apart from the human
>factor. Show me the Alien...show me the Alien...show me the
>Alien...

And why is it that you automatically assume I believe that
aliens are producing crop circles simply because I mentioned a
possible connection between UFOs and sightings of them near crop
circles? Did I say aliens?

>You mean like possibly flight 800? or the Swiss MD11 which just
>crashed? I don't want you to assume that I am saying that US
>Satellites had anything to do with their crashes, I am just
>asking a question in response to your quotation above.

I think Mr. Rudiak meant if these sorts of crashes happened
frequently near the sites of numerous crop circles, then someone
might begin looking for an orbital source, especially if no
other explanation could be found.

>...and what appears
>to have been an Anthrax virus or nerve gas which apparently
>infected and has been responsible for about 15,000 deaths and
>illinesses of those soilders in the 1990 Gulf War. I am not the
>source of this Information...It can indeed be checked out if one
>wants to find it hard enough. One of the Doctors whose own
>daughter served there and contracted the sickness, treated her
>and then started treating others who came to him. No, the US
>Military wouldn't test their technology on the public or in
>populated areas...<sigh>

I have little doubt that soldiers in the Gulf War were exposed
to something nasty, and that the US government is reluctant to
admit it. However, it's source was not the US military, it was
Iraq. I am sympathetic towards the Gulf War veterans, but they
were not "the public", they were military, and they were at war.
This may come as a shock to you, but there is some degree of
personal risk to joining the military and going to war. It's not
all 'college funds' and patriotic music.

>But, I do have a problem
>with those who automatically give credit to an alleged ET
>civilization, which has not yet been proven to exist. So, if
>there is no ET civilization coming here and performing all these
>feats, then jut who the heck is?

In one breath, you admit that ET civilizations have not been
"proven to exist". In the next, you say there is "no ET
civilization coming here". Have you proven the latter? Guess we
can all go home now...show's over.

Or is it?

Greg