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From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:17:19 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 04:10:01 -0400
Subject: Re: KGB Files Show


>Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 07:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Kerry Ferrand <kferrand@rocketmail.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: KGB Files Show

>>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 09:31:07 -0400
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
>>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: KGB Files Show

>>The pic with

>>>"This image depicts an elusive, cylinder-shaped object
>>>which was chased for several minutes by a Russian MIG"

>>>Shows the rear top section of a US made ejection seat,
>>>>(and a few other aircraft which wouldn't give that
>>>type of view)
>>>One of the seat's unique environmental sensor pitot
>>>tubes is prominent in the photo. The footage is
>>from no MiG

>>Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but while working in the
>>press I was amazed to find that the ejection seats used in
>>American Jets were actually built by a British firm that held

<snip>

>You're thinking of the Martin-Baker firm who used to have quite a
>lock on the western market..but starting from the late 70s just
>about every new US type has been fitted with the US designed and
>manufactured (by McDD and now Boeing) ACESII seat. It is the only
>ejection seat with the antenna-like sensor tubes clearly seen in
>the supposed MiG footage (which looks like it was shot from the
>back seat of a F-16B or D-not the visibility-challenged little
>cockpit of the single seat MiG-21 aircraft they show in their
>graphics)

>The pictures are either mislabeled or a hoax

Back in the good old/bad old days the Russians would "steal" US
or western world generated information and feed it back to as
Russian, or they would use western generated information as a
basis for discussion without revealing actual Soviet
information. This turned up in military material regularly,
where the Soviets would discuss USA military activities and
present the Soviets as only peace- loving people.

Anyway, I am aware of a specific example of a Soviet "hoax" on
the American people.

In the winter or spring of 1969, I believe, while I was at
American University at Washington, DC.,. an international "fair"
or exposition was held. Many of the embassies most of which are
within a few miles of American University) had displays. The
Russian embassy was also there with a display related to Soviet
achievements in space. Their largest exhibit was "their" moon
lander. For those of you less than 40 years old, the '60's was
the tme of the space race.... who could get to the moon first.
After our astronauts orbited the moon in Dec\ 1968, while the
Russians failed to achieve a comparable result, it became
apparent who was going to get there first.

So, as I was walking around looking at all the good stuff I
spotted te Russian exhibit with it's "moon lander." It had a
definitely recognizable appearance, despite the large letters
USSR across its surface and other Soviet markings.

Then it came to me: The Russians had made a model of the US moon
lander (which was an distinctively ugly, ungodly looking
device!) and had labelled it "Soviet Moon Lander."

I suppose that most of the young people going through the
exhibit didn't realize the fake, even though our moon lander had
been shown on TV and discussed in magazines, etc.

Anyway, the bottom line is, I wouldn't put it past them to take
an American UFO sighting event and call it theirs. (After all,
they DID invent baseball..... didn't they?)