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From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:36:24 PST
Fwd Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 15:54:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Photogrammetric Refutation of Latest


>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:36:48 -0800
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>From: Neil Morris <neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: Photogrammetric Refutation of Latest Update From RPIT


>>From: Brad Sparks <RB47Expert@aol.com>
>>Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:59:07 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Photogrammetric Refutation of Latest Update From RPIT


>Brad and All on UpDates,

>>Dear Neil & List,

>>What an outstanding simulation of the paper orientation of Ramey's
>>Telegram! You've very precisely matched even the appearance of the
>>telegram, as well as the position of the thumb and orientation of
>>the folds, complete with the slight but insignificant curling up
>>of the Upper Left Corner. However, your blank seal is jammed up to
>>within about 1/4 inch of the left edge of the paper whereas the
>>actual Ramey Telegram has a 1/2-inch margin clearly visible right
>>into the Upper Left Corner which corner appears to be entirely
>>BLANK. Your original positioning of the military "eagle seal"
>>almost entirely MISSES the curled-up corner, so that it cannot
>>possibly benefit from that corner's better angle facing the >camera,
>>contrary to what you said.  And your experimental seal is larger,
>>if 1.5 inches in diameter, than the approximately 1.2-inch seal on
>>your original graphic.  All in all, though, an excellent job!


>Regarding seals/stamps in use around that time by the military,
>since the first experiment I've done some digging through the
>100 or so documents I have of that time and checked our the
>sizes of seals I've been able to find. They seem to group into 4
>sizes from 1" and 1.25" used in document letterheads and more
>interestingly 1 3/4" and 1 5/16" used in manual "stamp/seals" on
>plain stationary to show their source and/or status. In the
>attached demo I've shown the 1 3/4" size. Side by side with the
>1 5/15" version and the original this seems the closest "fit",
>but should anyone grumble at this point, try it yourself and
>see.

>>And thank you for proving my point! Your blank seal is oriented at
>>about a 73 degree pitch or inclination angle to the camera almost
>>exactly matching the actual Ramey Telegram with its approximately
>>78-degree angle in that corner. Had the EAGLE SEAL been inside the
>>empty circle it would have been painfuly obvious it DOES NOT MATCH
>>your interpretation.

<snipped - but good>

>Checking sample areas from Stantons raw neg scans, there are
>subtle but subjective differences of clarity in the prints, the
>prints _do_ capture this subtlety and it seems to be transfered
>to the digitised medium.

>Neil.

>rletdemo1.gif


Neil, Brad & List,

Am I the only one who thinks that the in the Ramey original
message photo his index finger is forcing the very top section
of the folded sheet upwards (perpendicular) to the main body?

The shading on the right side of the upper section would seem to
prove this to be the case . . .

Regards,
Leanne  ];-0  !