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From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:09:05 -0700
Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:37:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Socorro: The Zamora 'Insignia'


 >From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:50:28 EDT
 >Subject: Re: Socorro: The Zamora 'Insignia'
 >To: updates@globalserve.net


Hello, all (Others have made points that I wanted to make, and I
won't re-hash them)

 >>From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Socorro: The Zamora 'Insignia'
 >>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:32:54 -0700

 >>>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:40:52 -0400
 >>>From: Andy Roberts <Brigantia@compuserve.com>
 >>>Subject: Re: Socorro: The Zamora 'Insignia'
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

 >>Hello all, I was praying that the subject of Pelicans would go
 >>away. It did.

 >>>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >>>>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:55:05 EDT
 >>>>Subject: Re: Socorro: The Zamora 'Insignia'
 >>>>To: updates@globalserve.net

 >>Let me start by saying: New Mexico in April is a lousy time to
 >>fly Balloons. Wind and dust are not condusive to Good Balloon
 >>travel.
 >
 >>>>I'll go you one better than that. In the Project Blue Book file
 >>>>there is a letter suggesting that two men from Dubuque, Iowa,
 >>>>traveling in New Mexico at the time saw the same craft. The
 >>>>letter writer didn't have any names but said the article
 >>>>appeared on the front page of the Dubuque newspaper. Apparently
 >>>>no one ever followed up on this.
 >>>>Took me almost twenty minutes to find the article. Paul Kies and
 >>>>Larry Kratzer claimed they saw the same object as Zamora. They
 >>>>didn't add much in the way of additional descriptions, but did
 >>>>provide some corroboration of the Zamora sighting.

 >>>But if Zamora *did* see and misperceive a balloon,
 >>>and if these two witnesses saw the same object, a balloon
 >>>is what they also saw.

<snip>

 >>>Why attempts to explain Zamora's sighting reasonably and
 >>>in terms of known objects causes so much problems with some
 >>>people is a mystery in itself. Don't you *want* to identify
 >>>what he saw?

I _want_ to identify it, a balloon it is not-look at the
obvious-the direction of travel, the fact that it left evidence
that is clearly not what a hot air balloon would leave.Oh, never
mind.

New Mexico in the spring is a nasty place to fly a Hot Air
balloon I don't think International Paper would have risked an
cross-county flight at that time (I nearly got slammed into the
dirt years ago on the San Augustin-at the first part of May-in a
four engine Douglas)

 >>Let's start with what he didn't see, 1: A helicopter of the era
 >>too noisy. 2: Swamp Gas Socorro? 3: A Balloon of the Hot Air
 >>type (oh, I'm not going any farther with that) .

 >>What ever Zamora saw (I'm almost convinced it might have been a
 >>little somthing that had wandered "off range" at white sands -

I've always wondered if the insigina as originally decribed by
Zamora wasn't a marking for Tracking Cameras and maybe the thing
(whose-ever technology that it was testing) wandered off-range
at White Sands due to a problem, say, a fouled plug on the Ford
flathead that ran the Transwarp drive, or sombody had to take a
leak - whatever - and got caught by the local Cop.

 >>but not quite). I think that Zamora was not a fool and at least
 >>knew what a hot air balloon was

<snip>

Also, why is it that the Observer's opinion in all of these
'solved' cases tend to be rend- ered irrelevant. Zamora
-Cop, Arnold - Pilot. I'll add Trent, too and others. Is it that
they are too stupid to know what they saw was truly, ah, prosaic
or just maybe what they saw was well, strange. Being conveniently
dead also helps, when you can't defend yerself against the Ol'
ad homnem.

 >Good thinking GT. However I have a solution to this dilemma.
 >Remember that time "BP?" (Before Pelicans), when some guy
 >or maybe one a' them womens said that Hispanics never get
 >abducted? Well, was not Lonnie a Hispanic?

 >Cogito, ergo ...
 >
 >Another case solved by J. Jaime Gesundt, and not a whisper
 >of swamp gas.

 >J. Jaime Gesundt, Ph.D., MBA, M.O.U.S.E, Coming loud.

There's enough gas and hot air on this subject to fill a
Goodyear - Blimp that is.

- GT McCoy