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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:29:15 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:40:09 -0500
Subject: Re: On False Memory


 >Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 01:25:47 -0500 (EST)
 >From: Russ Estes <BGBOPPER@aol.com>
 >Subject: Re: On False Memory
 >To: updates@sympatico.ca

Russ Estes wrote:

 >When I first became aware of this list I thought, what a great
 >idea, an insiders list where the sharing of information could
 >possibly get us closer to the real answers. How silly I was to
 >think that. It was easy to see that opposing opinions turned to
 >personal battles at the drop of a hat. I often wanted to throw
 >my two cents worth into the ring but then I thought that life is
 >far too short to waste my time battling or dueling with others
 >for no other reason than to stoke a fire that is already
 >blazing.

Hi Russ.

I find your highly selective labeling amusing. It's cute how any
implied insults toward those who report abduction experiences
(when it comes from 'your own views') are to be taken as a noble
intellectual inquiry of some kind, while any opposing views (or
God forbid, should someone actually take offense at _Kevin's_
unsubstantiated statements) are labelled 'rants' or 'personal
attacks.' BTW, has your name been mentioned? Why am I 'suddenly'
talking to you and not Kevin?  Hmmm, interesting phenomenon. You
talk to one head and like the game, Smack the Mole you find that
another one has 'popped up' to take its place!  <lol> You two
guys are a pisser. Chinese tag team eh?

 >I have seen questions asked and challenges made . Of course
 >when some answers were posted the questioner would reject any
 >comments out of hand or attack the motives of the individual
 >who dares to post an opposing view.

Comical. Turn it around and aim it back at yourselves! What
prompted my original response was Kevin's "out of hand attack"
of John Mack's "opposing views" with the statement/proclamation:
"This is nonsense!" It seems to me the pot calls the kettle
black here.  :)

 >I would now like to clear a few things up for Mr. Velez about
 >his personal attack on Kevin Randle and his "still warm in the
 >frame" degree.

There was nothing any more 'personal' in my comments, than those
issued by Kevin in regard to abductees over the years. Somehow
we're not supposed to question anything he says. Here -you- are
'defending him!' (do you really think he needs to be defended
Russ?)

I never mentioned your name _anywhere_ in _any_ of my postings.
Yet here you are "setting me straight" and taking your partners
place in the discussion. What are you guys a WWF tag team? When
one guy is 'floundering' you slap hands and change places in the
ring? Someone should have told me! I would have gotten Greg
Sandow or someone to be my 'Red cross' partner!  <lol>

 >I am sure that it is common knowledge that Kevin and I have
 >co-authored three books, One of those books is "The Abduction
 >Enigma" with William P. Cone Ph.D..

Apparently you guys have been attached at the hip longer than
I was aware of. Explains why _you_ are responding and not Kevin.
(To whom I was speaking.)

 >Over 6 years of hands on research went into that book. The
 >opinions that Kevin posted about memory are not only his but
 >also mine and Dr. Cone, whose Diploma is not a bit warm in its
 >frame. Matter of fact, Dr. Cone has over 25 years of clinical
 >Texperience with a vast majority of that time dealing with memory
 >and the human mind.

Ha, ha, ha! <lmao!>

Kevin has expounded these -same- interpretations and 'beliefs'
about the nature of abduction -long before he got his degree-
Russ. There is nothing 'new' in -anything- Kevin has for sale. So
what came first, the chicken or the egg?" Was his opinion -before-
he knew anything about memory different from what it is now?
Or, has he just found a new 'vehicle' for his own personal bias.

Chicken, egg, chicken, egg, . . . . such a conundrum!  :)

John Velez Continues:

Russ I don't mean to be disrespectful but I -was- speaking to
Kevin. If Kevin wishes to respond to any of my comments then
fine, I'm here.

Personal note: I grew up on some tough streets in NYC Russ. I've
been 'ganged up on' before. I'm _not_ going to allow myself to
get sucked into your 'tag team' match.

Your partner is a 'big boy' and fully capable of speaking for/
defending himself. You really should have a bit more confidence
in him and allow him to fight his own battles!  :)

John Velez, solo wrestler/"one, . . . against a thousand!"  ;)
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