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From: John C. Thompson <gin@wp-lag.mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:10:40 -0500
Fwd Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:50:33 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Abductions: The Truth'


 >Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:07:12 -0600
 >From: Dr. Virgilio Sanchez-Ocejo <ufomiami@prodigy.net>
 >Subject: 'Abductions: The Truth'
 >To: UFO UpDates <updates@sympatico.ca>

 >Dear Mr. John C. Thompson

 >I read your 'Abductions: The Truth' and here are some of my
 >points:

Thanks for taking the time to read it.

 >We have to compare the abductions reports with the sighteeng
 >reports. We can't said they are all "extraterrestrial" or
 >"Innerterrestrial as you point out. After severe study, manny
 >UFOs sighting became IFOs, the same goes to the "abductions".

When I speak of any being extraterrestrail I mean what has been
termed "true" UFOs; not IFOs or unexplained natural phenomenon
which in my estimation constitute over 95 percent of all
reports.

 >Yes, there are abductions cases with physical proof and reliable
 >witnesses. We studied one of those cases; the Filiberto
 >Cardena's case.

I'm sorry but I was unable to examine your report as I have an
old 486 and dated Netscape browser; I got a "netscape protection
fault failure" when I went to your site. This I must ask, how do
you know you have physical proof? .

Also did you investigate the case yourself or personally know
the investigator who did it? If the latter, do you trust this
investigator's methods fully?

Are you sure the physical proof was caused by the alleged
abduction? Or do you just know it occurred around the same time
and assume such?

Was the case investigated  in near real time or much later?  On
the witnesses, were they independent or are they related to each
other? I must say if they are related then you don't have true
independent witnesses.

Here is an example of a true independent witness: I had a couple
see a "moon" UFO at close quarters. The UFO was intially
hovering then left like a streak of lightning.

Twelve  miles away, another person who did not the other
witnesses or know of the event, saw, from her limited vantage
point, a "shooting star" go westward and upward.

This witness reported this to me the very next day before
I had learned of the moon close-encounter. Her estimate
of distance-- she said "eleven miles"--direction and apparent
size all fit in exactly with what she should have seen from
her vantage point.

Here is an example of what is not true indepenent witnesses: I
did another close-encounter case with a mini-van size UFO. An
entire family saw it just above their heads. Some friends claim
to have seen it also.

Now while I believe that is what happened you could not say
these other folks--despite being down the street--are true
indepedent witnesses in the purest sense.

It also troubled me that this lady had a sister and neice who
had had a dramatic close-encounter and had recieved much
attention over it.

Nothing I can prove but it bothers me. On the sister and niece's
UFO encounter, one of the best in Georgia or anywhere. Despite
more witnesses with the other case, I judge the other better as
they ran into a stranger's house they were so terrified.

A strange noise was also heard immediately before by home
dwellers . They called a TV station it bothered them so much.  I
judged the sister to be of strong character.

That's where the judgement and experience of the investigator
comes in. Its not always easy. I can tell you I'm a better
investigator after many, many cases.

Did any independent witnesses see an airborne craft while the
alleged abduction was taking place? Did you do background checks
on all of these folks and see how reliable any and all witnesses
were?

I must say I have had all kinds of STORIES regarding physical
proof. The closest I came was a much dated case in Alexander
City, Alabama. But the witnesses did not see a UFO; they assumed
it could've been a UFO that caused it.

Ten years later there were marks in the concrete driveway when I
met them. The only real strength was that the witnesses were
totally beyond reproach and well educated and respected in their
community. But that doesn't prove  a UFO made the marks.

had others who claimed they've UFOs landed but didn't prove it
to me. I've seen a small crop circle where there was much UFO
activity in an area but again no UFO was seen to make the
circle. Much trace evidence when carefully examine falls along
these lines.

Something is seen strange and UFO activity is going on and
assumptions are made. Of course we all know why mainstream
science won't accept any of this is that even if a connection
could be proven the "evidence" is never of out-of-this world
material; the ultimate proof, which never exists.

I know of one lady here in Georgia who I consider reliable who
says she saw some entities in her bedroom and that a scorched
mark was left on her blanket the next morning. I do not doubt
what she saw but the evidence has proved inconclusive on what it
is. Certainly nothing extraterrestrail or alien. Some have said
a textile imperfection.

To her credit she never claim she saw the entities make the
mark; only that it was there the next morning and she doesn't
know where it came from.

For many, maybe most in the UFO community, this would be
"physical trace" evidence. Not in my book and not in anyone
else's that is truly objective.

 >Hybrid experiments are rare in South America; Villas Boa's
 >encounter is different and it could be compared to those here.

I do not believe at all in hybrid experiments. There is not one
ounce of proof for alien-human intercourse. Let us see one of
these physical creatures!

 >Of course, there are  demons, gnomes, ghosts, fairies, and so
 >on. The same way there are satellites, ball of Fire, asteroids,
 >birds, and so on in the sky.

That's right but the entities are what I call interterrestrials
(INTs). I suspect they were/are real. But their not physical
creatures as we know them. Much like the chupacabras and
Bigfoot, haints or shadows or grays. Its all connected.

The other is only natural phenonemon that is often,
particularily satellites and meteors, confused for UFOs.

 >The real entities (extraterrestrial) with their abduction
 >programs, manipulating our conscience throughout the world, are
 >violating our freedom of throught and conscience. They are a
 >real danger in our conscience.

Interestingly, this same Georgia lady I speak of above thought
she saw several grays with at least one of them having a Panama
Jack style hat on... that is, a hat with wide brim that is turned
down.

She believes the entities she saw were of extraterrestrial
origin. Well I have two other witnesses, all living in different
cities in Georgia, who saw the same type hat on their entities.

Despite one these  witness  being an earlier UFO witness,
neither of them  thought they saw grays. They all thought they
saw haints or INTs.

Now, how can it be that three entities are seen by three
strangers living in seperate cities and they all wear the same
type hat? I believe all of them saw the same type alien and it
is an INT.

It should be pointed out that none of these witnesses, one black
male, one white female and one black female, saw any spacecraft
with their  entities. All entities were only  bedroom visitors.

No one else is known living around or with them that saw any
UFOs near their homes on the night of their visitations. For
that matter no one else saw their entities as they saw them.

Yet, you can't blow it all away as nothing because of the same
hats worn by all three entities.  None of these folks had any
way of knowing what the others saw.

The first drawing was faxed to me by another investigator who
did the so-called gray case. I had the other two witnesses, two
months apart as I came to the cases, draw what they saw on their
entities.

These two were also not told that anybody else had seen a hat on
an entity. They brought it up themselves in their respective
interviews. Only then did I ask them to draw the type hats they
saw

Only after doing their drawings did I tell them others were
seeing entities with the same type hat.  So something real here!

I agree with everything you say in your last snip except "the
threat"--as Dr. Jacobs likes to call it--is NOT extraterrestrial
for reasons stated  in my article.

Can INTs hurt people despite not being physical creatures as we
know them? I am open to this because of other cirmcustances I'm
aware of regarding other INT sightings. How this is possible is
unknown to me and far from conclusive.

I also have investigated a murder case here that seemed to be
out of character. The murderer claims to have seen a haint when
she was 14 years old. She says she heard the "devil talking" in
her head  when she stabbed her new-born baby to death.

It made a roaring noise as the baby came out.

This woman is a mother of another child who by all accounts--and
I did check extensively on all of  this, talking to many he knew
or worked with her--loved this child dearly. She also has never
done drugs or drinks excessivley or exhibited violent behavior..

She was gainfully employed. The house allegely had extreme INT
activity several months before the murder.

According to her mother and sister she, her brother and son fled
the house in terror and didn't return for two nights. The murder
caught my attention because of numerous UFO cases, including the
mini-van one of above, I had already done on this same street
and area in 1995.

TV-33 of LaGrange even filmed a UFO here. (Well, it was not
proven as such but that's another story.)

Their are complications: I, believe she killed the baby because
she was, perhaps, afraid that her boyfriend would leave her if
she had the baby. (He is the father of the other child and did
leave her for awhile after its birth according to the mother and
sister..)

She was also into "Root". Don't know alot about this but
something along the lines of voodoo. Someone makes up potions,
ect. It's a strange world we live in!

Whatever is coming into people's houses is evil; that I'm sure
of.