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From: Ed Stewart <ufoindex@jps.net> Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 10:33:38 -0800 Fwd Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 18:05:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Open Letter: MJ-12 & Dr. Wood >From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: Open Letter: MJ-12 & Dr. Wood >Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 22:47:55 -0400 >I obviously totally disagree that Barry Greenwood or Ed Stewart >or anybody else has demolished the older documents. The new ones >are under investigation. I reference the relevant MJ-12 articles between 1987-1995 that were recorded in Just Cause, Caus Bulletin, IUR, MUFON Journal and UFO Magazine. The articles are bibliographed in a prior message to this list and available in the ufomind online index at: http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1999/jan/m27-003.shtml >You might note my comments about Barry's first article about the >documents in TSM. Have you actually read it and my Final Report >on Operation Majestic 12? The above is a deceptive and irrelevant ploy by Stanton Friedman. The article he references from JUST CAUSE was published in 1985 based on information given to Lee Graham whose source was none other than Stanton Friedman's MJ-12 co-researcher William Moore. The information posted by Greenwood and sourced from the dream team of Moore-Shandera-Friedman, was basically all that the dream team had "released" until that time. Friedman's "criticism" of the neutral article by Barry Greenwood should by all rights by directed at his co-researcher William Moore who released the information through Lee Graham and in turn gave it to Barry. At the time, Lee Graham was being used as a conduit to the UFO community by the dream team of Moore-Shandera-Friedman and the only available source of information to the "research" of Moore-Shandera-Friedman. What is more deceptive of Stanton Friedman is what he doesn't say in his book and can be verified from the bibliography posted to this list. There is no further mention of JUST CAUSE and the research it published demolishing the MJ-12 papers, 57 articles and references in all in JUST CAUSE and 7 in CAUS Bulletin out of the 152 references from the UFO literature posted. Most of these devastating references were published between 1987-1992 with IUR contributing 17 references, MUFON contributing 24 references and UFO magazine contributing 47 references, many of which constituted research originally published by Barry Greenwood in JUST CAUSE. Yet, Friedman's only reference to that research is the 1985 neutral article whose information came indirectly from his co-researcher William Moore. How deceptive! Stanton Friedman compounds the deception in his book of ignoring the relevant research conducted by UFO researchers within the UFO community by stating on page 85 of TS/M: "This carries the analysis of the MJ-12 documents themselves about as far as it can go. Surprisingly, nothing that we had found or that others had alleged indicated that the documents were anything other than legitimate." This Friedman deception points stronger to his intellectual dishonesty and deception directed at his readers. Not only does he ignore the JUST CAUSE published research between 1987-1992 on the bogus MJ-12 documents and makes no reference to it - including not listing JUST CAUSE in his 10 page bibliography, much of which was irrelevant to the MJ-12 papers, but he compounds his dishonesty when he declares in his book: "Surprisingly, nothing that we had found or that others had alleged indicated that the documents were anything other than legitimate." When in fact some of the JUST CAUSE published articles included letters of "protest" from Stanton Friedman and relevant and significant responses from JUST CAUSE. >Did you note that contrary to Ed >Stewart's claims , the latter included 2 TOP SECRET documents >from Robert Cutler that were in General Twining's files. at the >Library of Congress Manuscript Division. Neither had control >numbers. Same source, same recipient and some similar language >to the Cutler -Twining memo. I suspect Ed will say they are >fakes, too, despite where they originated because they weren't >in the record Group at the Archives where he is sure they should >have been. Let us not do Research by Proclamation The above paragraph continues the trend already shown of Stanton Friedman's irrelevance to the facts and will be addressed by Robert Todd in a separate post. Robert Todd was mentioned in TS/M on pages 94,99, and 106 and is intimately familiar with the bogus MJ-12 papers and the subsequent bogus claims adherred to by Stanton Friedman. Robert Todd has in the past contributed and shared his research findings to Barry Greenwood and others. Ed Stewart ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ed Stewart ufoindex@jps.net|So Man, who here seems principal alone, There Is Something |Perhaps acts second to some sphere unknown. Going On! ,>'?'<, |Touches some wheel, or verges to some goal, Salvador Freixedo ( O O ) |'Tis but a part we see, and not a whole. ----------------ooOO-(_)-OOoo------- Alexander Pope, Essay on Man -----
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