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From: Glenn Joyner <infohead@airmail.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:55:04 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 17:45:48 -0500
Subject: Black's Interesting Offer to Maccabee


Greetings, EBK and List Members:

I have seen several responses to Jerry Black's open letter to
Whitley Strieber, and have printed and forwarded them to him.
I'm sure he will appreciate your comments. One early commentator
to that piece was Bruce Maccabee. Jerry has dictated and asked
me to post for him a response to Mr. Maccabee's comments.

Glenn

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An Open Letter to Bruce Maccabee
From Jerry Black

February, 1999

During the next 90 days, Mr. Maccabee, I will be placing my
final report on the Ed Walters Gulf Breeze sightings on my
Internet website. I will be discussing, at length, all of the
main issues of the Ed Walters case. I will show anyone and
everyone why this case has been proven conclusively to be a
hoax.

So at this time I will respond only briefly to your three-page
reply to my review of Whitley Strieber's case.

Early in my review of Mr. Whitley Strieber's books, I noticed,
in the book, Communion, that you helped Mr. Strieber with
certain portions of his manuscript. Obviously, at that
particular time, you would have no way of knowing, for sure,
whether Mr. Strieber's claims in his book, Communion, were valid
or not. Yet, you certainly had no reservations whatsoever in
lending your name to the acknowledgments section of the book.

It seems like your track record, Mr. Maccabee, for the last ten
years or so, certainly is not a very good one. We first have the
Guardian case, which you supported on national television, that
was proven to be a hoax by one of your own people in the MUFON
organization, Mr. Tom Theofanous. Then you supported the Ed
Walters Gulf Breeze case, which likewise has been proven, beyond
a shadow of a doubt, to be a hoax. (I will demonstrate this to
all interested parties in my report which will be forthcoming in
the next 90 days.) Then you loaned your name to the
acknowledgment section of Mr. Strieber, and helped him with
portions of his manuscript for Communion, which would indicate
to most people that you are a supporter of Mr. Strieber's case.
Certainly, while the jury is out on the case of Mr. Whitley
Strieber, it is definitely a questionable case, at best.

So it appears, Mr. Maccabee, that during the last ten years you
are on record as supporting very dubious cases, or, at the
least, in the case of Whitley Strieber, very questionable cases.

Before my final review of Ed Walters' Gulf Breeze sightings
comes out in the next three months, I would appreciate it if you
would show the people on the Internet exactly where I have ever
said that witnesses to the same thing that Ed Walters
photographed were deluded, part of a conspiracy along with Ed
and family, or were simply in it for the publicity. I have never
stated that, either in print, or verbally in any tapes I have
sent to you or to anyone else, Mr. Maccabee. So, please, let's
try to be honest. Others may have said that, but not I.

What I have said, and will continue to say, is that anyone
else's testimony to the fact that they saw an object similar to
that Ed Walters claims to have seen, or photographed an object
similar to those that Ed Walters claims to have, are evaluated
on their own individual merit. Just because someone photographed
an object that looks somewhat like Mr. Walters' photographs, or
just because someone has come forth and verbally stated that
they saw an object that looked like the Walters objects, does
not validate the Ed Walters photographs. Ed Walters' photographs
must stand on their own merit.

I stated in my letter, "It has been conclusively proven that the
objects Ed Walters photographed were models."

You response was, "Conclusively proven? Only in Black's mind
(and that of a few others).

"Arguments over the Gulf Breeze photographs have raged over
years, and despite the efforts of the died in the wool skeptics,
the photographs still stand. They don't/won't understand the
examinations those photographs have undergone."

Yes, Mr. Maccabee, everyone does understand the examinations
these photographs have undergone. They have undergone the
examination of Mr. Jeff Sainio and yourself, against the
examination of Mr. William G. Hyzer and his son, Mr. James B.
Hyzer. Mr. William G. Hyzer stated in his final report that
Photo #19 has been conclusively proven to be a double exposure.

You, Mr. Maccabee, and Mr. Jeff Sainio, cannot even play in the
same ball park as William G. Hyzer and James B. Hyzer. (For any
interested parties who may be reading this open letter, we have
Mr. Hyzer's rather impressive resume posted in an earlier open
letter at our website, which can be seen at
http://members.xoom.com/blackshole/jb02.html ) William Hyzer's
experience in the medium spans over 40 years, and his son,
James, has over 20 years experience. So the informed public out
there should be quite aware of all of the examination that these
photographs have undergone. Mr. Hyzer, one of the top ten
photographic analysis people in the country, using first
generation copies -- the same that Jeff Sainio used at different
times -- has proven conclusively, as I said, that Photo #19, was
definitely, without question, a double exposure. It is not, as
you try to imply, his opinion. He has proven it conclusively.

As I said, you also state, "Only in Mr. Black's mind (and that
of a few others)." How many years have you had your head hidden
in the sand, Mr. Maccabee? I think the statement should be the
other way around... Only you, Jeff Sainio, Walt Andrus, the Gulf
Breeze supporters, and a few others in the country support the
Ed Walters photographs. The vast majority of serious UFO
researchers, those who have seen all of the material available,
do not support the Ed Walters sightings.

Even your own MUFON Board of Directors does not support, in the
majority, the Ed Walters Gulf Breeze sightings. You know that I
know that is a fact. So you cannot even bring all of your MUFON
Board of Directors in to support the Ed Walters case. Many of
the Regional Directors and State Directors certainly do not
support the case. Some of them, which I have talked to, are very
embarrassed about it, and try to stay away from the topic when
it is brought up. I have heard statements like, "Well, that was
something in the past. Let's go forward, Jerry." So get your
head out of the sand, Mr. Maccabee. The truth is, only you and a
few others support the Ed Walters Gulf Breeze case.

You state in your letter that a smear test reported by Jeff
Sainio in the 1992 MUFON Symposium Proceedings argues against a
double exposure of the Ed Walters photographs. The only thing
that has been smeared during the investigation of the Ed Walters
photographs, I'm afraid, are the reputations of you, Mr.
Maccabee, and of Mr. Jeff Sainio, as photographic analysts. I
will elaborate in great detail, in my upcoming final report on
the Ed Walters Gulf Breeze sightings.

Moving on, Mr. Maccabee, I stated in my letter that it was the
view of Mr. Billy J. Rakes, President of the Polygraph
Association of Florida in 1992, and also the view of the
National Polygraph Association, that the subject, the person
under investigation, cannot take/sponsor his own polygraph test
-- it is considered to be an invalid test.

Your reply to that was, "To say that the test results were null
and void is a statement of opinion only, and not a fact. Mr.
Black, so far as I know, never talked to the polygraphist who
tested Ed twice." I did talk to him, and he gave good reasons
for believing that his polygraph tests were valid.

Wow, I didn't know that you talked to Harvey McLaughlin, Jr.
personally, and that he told you that the polygraph test was
completely valid. And, by the way, our President, Bill Clinton,
told us that he "never had sexual relations with that woman,"
Monica Lewinsky. Who cares if you talked to Harvey McLaughlin,
Jr. personally? I, in fact, talked to Ronald Lauland, the
gentleman who gave Ed Walters his PSE test, five or six times.
That does not make it a valid test, Mr. Maccabee.

It appears that whenever an expert in a particular field takes a
conclusive position or view, to you Mr. Maccabee, and to Mr.
Walt Andrus, if it is contrary to what you believe, it becomes
only an opinion. The facts are thus: Mr. Billy J. Rakes,
President of the Polygraph Association of Florida, the National
Polygraph Association, and 99 percent of the polygraph experts
in this country, take the view that a subject who is under
investigation cannot take/sponsor his own polygraph test. It is
considered invalid. Whether you talk to them, whether I talk to
them, whether the President of the United States talks to them,
it is considered an invalid test, for obvious reasons. If we
were to ask 100 ten year olds to give us the reason that a
person under investigation cannot take/sponsor/pay for his own
polygraph tests, 99 percent of those children would be able to
give us a valid reason. Yet, you, Mr. Maccabee, with your Ph.D.,
cannot seem to understand why this test is considered an invalid
test.

Finally, Mr. Maccabee, in my upcoming review of the Ed Walters
Gulf Breeze sightings, you will be given the opportunity to make
$1,000.00 -- if you truly believe that the Ed Walters
photographs are genuine. You should not be able to legitimately
refuse this test. However, should you accept, if you are wrong
about the Ed Walters photographs, and they are as Mr. William G.
Hyzer has stated -- definitely double exposures -- you will lose
$1,000.00. We will all wait and see if you are up to the
challenge, Mr. Maccabee.

Thank you for your time.

Regards,

Jerry Black

JB/gmj
    A NOTE ABOUT JERRY BLACK:

Mr. Jerry Black has been researching and investigating UFOs in a
 scientific and objective manner for the past 40 years. His
   Internet website can be found at:

   http://members.xoom.com/blackshole

Mr. Black invites your comments on the above. He does not have
an e-mail address, but can be reached at the following address
    and phone number:

     Jerry Black
    6276 Taylor Pike
    Blanchester, Ohio 45107
     (513) 625-2613





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