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From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:45:50 +0000
Fwd Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:35:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Military Retirees & Secrecy


>From: "Bob Shell" <bob@bobshell.com>
>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 15:33:06 +0000
>Fwd Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:53:42 -0500
>Subject: Re: Military Retirees & Secrecy

>>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 09:17:48 +0000
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Military Retirees & Secrecy

Previously, Bob had written:

>My father was a TV newsman until he retired. He signed on the
>very first TV station in this area and was there nearly 40
>years. Before that he was in Radio. He had the courage to cover
>the UFO flaps in Wytheville, Virginia, just down the road from
>here and went from skeptic to believer from interviewing
>ordinary people who had very extra-ordinary experiences.

>He was the newsman who dug up and broke the Frances Gary Powers
>story when the Soviets shot him down in a U2 spy plane, and he
>covered many other sensitive stories over the years.

>I asked him about this story of yours and he said "Bull***t!"


Bob, regarding your father:

Did you ask him if he ever worked in Houston?  No.

Did he, in fact, work in Houston?  No.

Did he work for the same station as my father?  No.

Did he work on the same remote crew?  No.

Did you ask him if he knew my father?  No.

Did he know my father?  No.

Did you ask him if he was aware of what happened to my father?
No.

Do you even know my father's name?   No.

In fact, there's _nothing_ you could possibly ask your father
that would confirm or deny what happened to my father, and you
know that.

You simply inquired about your father's _own_ experiences, which
is fine. But just because something like this did not happen to
your father does not mean it did not happen to mine, Bob, or
that it can't happen to anyone else.

If such a discrepency were an indicator of truth then I could
simply maintain that _your_ father's story is bullshit. Or I
could take the position that he was warned not to reveal that
such things happened to him. Or I could claim that you are just
making things up to take a counter point with my own position.

But why should I?

I find it reasonable that nothing happened to your father, and
I'm happy for him and can accept that.

On the other hand, you are calling my father a liar, which I do
not take lightly. Or, possibly, you are calling me a liar.
Neither is very flattering and quite uncalled for.

In fact, the few short months I've been involved with this List,
I've noticed your obvious disdain for anyone that might offer
information that relates to media such as photography, film or
video. When referring to Neil Morris' work on the RPIT, you said
you were waiting on CD ROMS of the material so you could put it
in the hands of a "real" photo analyst. What a cheap shot.

Odd, considering your earlier position that commercial scans
would be useless, anyway. It would appear the only real use of
the CD ROM to you was an opportunity in discussion to diss Neil
Morris about his efforts and the efforts of the RPIT.

Your comments in response to my own postings about AA were full
of contradictions about how many rolls were pushed, about your
access to the cameraman, about how the film was processed, about
which lenses were used, etc, etc. Yet you maintain the attitude
that only YOU are to be the one to say whether the AA footage is
real or not. Woe to anyone that might have a technical opinion,
otherwise, no matter how logical.

If you don't agree with my posts, that's okay. I don't always
agree with yours. But then, I'm not required to, despite what
you may think. More to the point, the world does not have to
agree with Bob Shell or bow to his approval.

If you have specific evidence that proves my father is not
telling the truth about what happend to him and his remote crew,
then lets see it. If all you have is your own father's word that
nothing like that ever happened to _him_, then leave it at that.

Do _not_ try to score hits on me by casting doubts on the
integrity of my father.

I won't stand for it.

Roger Evans