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From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 12:16:40 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 13:39:21 -0500
Subject: Re: R.A.M.S. - A Parting Shot?


>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 13:19:36 +0000
>From: Robert A. M. Stephens <sti3818@montana.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: R.A.M.S. - A Parting Shot?

>>Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 03:27:49 -0600
>>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: R.A.M.S. - A Parting Shot?

>>No sir -- you did not. You trotted out the old, and very
>>competently discredited, NASA excuse.

>>>On four radio shows and in 9 email posts-detailed dissertations.
>>>STS-48, STS-80, = frozen ejecta from on orbit vehicles.

>>. . . And Dr. Haines, Dr. Kasher, and (I believe) Stanton
>>Friedman reduced your "frozen ejecta" to bull ejecta. Moreover,
>>your "9 email posts-detailed dissertations" detailed bupkus. Who
>>are you, really?

>Had you paid any attention at any time, I stated catagorically I
>would bring the whole tape of STS-48 and 80 to the U and Omaha
>to any of these 'experts' an challenge their 10 dollar per book
>ripoff analysis, for free, and show them what they are seeing.
>They refused. At least with Kasher's school.

What they are _seeing_, sir, are objects that stop _dead_ in
space, and then accelerate to alternate directions in a manner
not consistant with the shuttle's attitude thrusters. They are
seeing objects that should _not_ be seen given the initial
infinite focus of the space borne camera. They are seeing
objects that are _not_ accelerating in accordance with the speed
of the gas issuing from the shuttle's attitude thrusters. They
are seeing, sir, that which you merely *proclaim* _cannot_ be
there. As to their refusal to hear your *evidence*, well -- we
only have _your_ word for that, after all.

>I'll challenge anyone with the color tape of the full sequence.
>I see this stuff everyday. If you want UFOs, fine---UFOS in the
>mission tapes everywhere. Great. What could that crazy NASA
>know.

You must mean the same crazy NASA that discontinued live video
feeds right _after_ STS-48? The same crazy NASA that is so
effortlessly forthcoming, openly honest, and truthful? The same
crazy NASA that bases their whole rationalization on the absence
of intelligent extraterrestrial life to a supposition that our
shallowly understood physics won't allow them the energy to
travel from a point so far away? What would YOU know? Hail NASA?
The hell with NASA!

>You are as the rest. See whatever you like in the fuzzy B & W
>tape. Its hopeless anyway. Dr. Kasher and rest are welcome to
>distort reality all they wish.

I submit, sir, that it is _you_ who distorts reality; it is
_you_ that deepens our academic fog, and it is _you_  that
contributes to the general confusion describing the ufological
field, and its capacity to investigate, today. Dr. Kasher
testified that he went into the research fully expecting to bear
out _your_ weak contention -- but he couldn't make it fit. The
observable data did not support it. It seems he has the guts to
ask the hard questions, and you don't. What say you to _that_?

>They are the problem then, not I
>or NASA. I have a right to make that claim as much as you 'want'
>to see UFOs in the mission tapes. I say you're in error. You
>call me names.

Uh -- What _names_? Don't get me wrong, I'm not above it -- I
just don't think I've called you any. I could be wrong.

>Super. Get the color tapes from JSC and then you
>decide.

Your color tapes are a _red herring_, Mr. Stephens. The physics
that Dr. Kasher investigates on the black and white tape would
be identical to the physics on your very fishy color one.
Marylyn's white dress blows up from the grate the exact same
way, obeying the same physics, in color _or_ black and white.
Shame on your scurrilous misdirection; I remain unconvinced of
your veracity; you remain unconvincing.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com

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