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From: Sue Strickland <strick@H2Net.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:42:59 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 05:22:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse


>Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:39:19 +0100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse


>John Velez's insistence that his beliefs about UFO abductions
>are validated by his own personal experience, and that we should
>also accept them on that basis, as with many other abductees and
>UFO experiencers, is a form of religious revelation.

>If we take the experience of people like Velez literally me must
>accept that just about everything we know about the universe and
>the way it works is wrong. Pardon me if I require rather more
>than someones reported personal experience before I do that. For
>the experiencer, however, evidence contradicting the absolute
>reality of their testaments can be dismissed, as it is not
>viewed through the eye of faith. It is clear from the above
>paragraph that John Velez is really only prepared to coutenance
>investigative efforts which start off by accepting the validity
>of his personal revelation. So it's not a matter of "show me"
>or "where's the proof" for me.

>It is for the rest of us, however.

<snip>

Dear List Members,

I've been quiet for some time now.  Before the "debate" between
John Rimmer, John Velez and Roger Evans turns into another name
calling session on this list, I'd like to try another
track...one that I just found...one that I need to pass on to
you all.  It has energized my mind to try to find more answers.

I'm an artistically-bent person, and I learn best with pictures
and diagrams to explain abstract concepts. I've always had a
deep-seated desire to understand physics, chemistry, math,
astronomy. Unfortunately, I didn't do well in science in
college, unless it was something like biophysics, where I could
look into a microscope and see what was happening. But, I kept
looking for someone or something to break through my dense
brain. I found it! I'm only on page 91 and I can't put the book
down. It's akin to a Stephen King novel for me! Hope you like it
too. Let me know.  Drop the argument until you've educated
yourselves on what other people in the scientific community are
believing.

The book I've had my head into is titled, HYPERSPACE by Michio
Kaku, 1994, Oxford University Press, New York. Got it from the
library. It's a theoretical physics book written for laypersons,
with marvelous illustrations explaining the UFO-ET-experiential
vs. 3-dimensional arguments we all get into on this list (plus a
whole lot more).

Mr. Rimmer and Mr. Evans think Mr. Velez's experiences may be
valid for John V., but are not for the majority; and thinks that
John Velez's beliefs are _not_ based on 3-dimensional reality.
John Rimmer is correct on those 2 points.

John Velez's experiences (and mine) are quite probably based on
a 4th dimensional reality, which Charles Howard Hinton (Prof. of
Mathematics at Princeton Univ., during Einstein's lifetime)
tried to visualize. He spent his life trying to master these
concepts, and Maxwell came up with the equations to do so.
However, Maxwell's equations treated space and time as 2
separate entities, requiring 8 obtuse equations. If those 8
equations are written using Einstein's relativistic theories,
incorporating time-space as 1 concept, the mathematical equation
is boiled down to a simple one-liner.

Don't skim the book Mr. Rimmer and Mr. Evans, study it. If
you're smart, you won't skip the Chapter Notes in the back of
the book as you read it, either. The proof is there for you Mr.
Rimmer and Mr. Evans, if you really want it.

John V., I _know_ you'll enjoy it and gain a ton of insight from
the 1st 50 pages. So will all the rest of us "flatlanders,"
trying to understand what the heck is happening when we
experience UFO-EBE contacts.  Read it and write me! I gotta get
back to this book.  Hugs, Sue S., another experiencer.