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From: Minna Laajala - UFO-Finland <ufofinland@saunalahti.fi>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:22:50 +0300
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:13:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse


>From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse
>Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:20:38 PDT

I understood, that the main point of this original subject was a
question by John Rimmer, are the lives of abductees wrecked or
not, and after a while it continued by Leanne's question (feel
free to correct, if Iīm wrong), where for example John Velez
replied:

Leanne asked:

>>>Has anybody given thought to the idea that the 'wrecked lives'
>>>and the 'abduction experience' may be just symptoms of some
>>>other condition?

John Velez replied:

>>It never ceases to amaze me how witness testimony (when it
>>relates to UFOs or UFO occupant sightings) can be dismissed or
>>minimized by declaring/insinuating/assuming that it is the
>>result of "some other condition." In ufology (for some reason)
>>all witness testimony is immediately considered suspect when it
>>is a UFO _occupant_ incident that is being reported. It must be
>>"something else" or some other "condition" as you so
>>indelicately phrase it.

Seems, that either incomprehensible experinces with no
explanation, or the lack of them wrecks lifes. (= With
explanation man seems to be able to sustain much bigger things,
that without explanation). But I donīt think UFOīs can wreck
anyone`s life, itīs not even sure they have been here. More
likely the "wreckerer" is our attidutes. And most I doubt the
wrecked lifes are results of mental problems. What causes them,
is another story. Thatīs why I think some of the reported
"experiences" can indeed be a symptom of something, they seem
like symptoms of "wanna believe", and symptoms of big willing to
be heard, seen, noticed. Maybe they are partly symptoms of big
loneliness?

Some of the abductees or contactees have had mental problems
(Travis Walton and Whitley Strieber for examples) after their
experiences. Some persons in a group are mentally problemized,
and have had problems even before this "hobby", but the
doctrines they`ll learn , and the lack of courace (= or
knowledge it should be done) to critisise the doctrines after
joining the group might mix some of them.

The doctrines of the group seems to teach at least following:

1) the feeling of important duty; you are now a member of
something important, you have a mission.

2) exitment (= both positive and negative) of experiences. This
teaches ->

3) the need to be as good as the other experiencers, which
teaches ->

4) the eager to experience more and more, more rougher and
rougher experiences (= to some, not everyone).

5) "Wanna believe"- attidute (= also probably cause of the
exitment of experiences)

6) fanaticism (= seems, that if you don`t defend your friendīs
it looks like youīre against them)

7) fatalism (= charma)

8) the big need of conversion.

Iīm not a doctor, but seen many cases from close range. I think
abductee has usually only one experience, but contactees has
"experiences" time after time. (Sometimes abductees becomes
contactees.) Contactees seem to be more often victims of
schizophrenia or paranoid thoughts, they eager more experinces,
and they need mental hospital more often. When they come out,
the doctrines of the cult mixes their head again. Even the whole
world of the UFO- (believer`s-)cult`s doctrines sounds like
symptoms of something serious problems, but still- even the way
to think may sound "sick" the majority of the group survives
from reactive psychosis - if ever gets so far, and becomes (=
continues?) mentally strong persons. Some seems to get somehow
stucked to the sickness (= schizophrenia?) and seems to need
regular medical help. Fortunately itīs minority of the group
members.

Well, what are these mental illnesses Iīm implying: The biggest
and worse mental problems experiencers sometimes seems to have
might be these:

1) Reactive psychosis. It sounds the same that some of the
abductees do experience after experiences. It lasts about two
weeks and doesn`t come back. Itīs mostly seen with victims of
rape, big massive accidents (= for example the survivers of
Titanic), etc.

2) Paranoid psychosis. The typical symptom is, that the person
belivs he/she is observed by someone or a group of "someones".
It includes beliefs of implants, radio transmitters, observation
devices in persons home, body etc.

3) Schizophrenia. It has same symptoms as other psychosis, but
it is diagnosed only, if patient has recressed from his/her
earlier mental health- level, the expected symptoms of
schizophrenia`s are clearly shown, and they have lasted over 6
months. The typical symptomps to schizophrenia are
hallucinations and delusions.

The person may be psychotic when her/his way to see reality is
totally blancked. The diagnosis of course should be made by a
doctor.

Leann might be right. And I think she partly is. All the
experiences aren`t symptoms, but all the experiences arenīt
worth of studying either. There`s the one thing, that makes the
understanding between "experiencers" and researchers so
difficult: to a "experiencer" is non-physical evidences enough,
but researchers mostly want hard, physical evidence. As long
thereīs two camps, there will be two ways to see, and non- stop
contradictions.

Minna L.