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From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:14:49 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:20:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse

>From: Tim D. Brigham <TBrigham@ksinc.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse
>Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 21:14:08 -0500

>>>Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:38:25 -0400
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse
>
>
>>Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:39:19 +0100
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse
>
><snip>
>
>As I think John Rimmer has requested, in plain old American
>(along with about half a dozen others on this list, including
>myself), on numerous occasions- give us a case which is an
>
>>>"undeniable experience, (in broad daylight and in the company
>>>other witnesses) one that quite literally robs you of any
>>>possibility for entertaining a 'alternate explanations.'
>
>Arguments that anyone is attempting to deny the literal reality
>of abduction events may have some reasonable basis in some
>instances, but other than second, third and foruthhand accounts
>tossed out offhandedly, there have been no such verifiable
>"undeniable" experiences as the one described above.

You'd have to start from scratch Tim. Secure a
competent/independant investigator (by "independant" I mean one
who has no 'preconcieved' notions or beliefs about UFOs or
abductions to begin with) and then select a few recent reports
at random. At that point you can turn the guy loose, and see
which way the investigation leads. I'm sure there would be an
interminable arguement about investigation methods but there has
to be a middle ground somewhere that folks can come together on.

>For many of
>us that sit on the fence, thats all we need. we're not asking
>for too much, or are we? I'd luv to hear a verifiable story of
>such an "undeniable" case witnessed by other parties (and
>please, no Linda Napolitiano)- a case which is in no way
>nebulous and has no alternative explanation, and involves other
>witnesses who can be contacted.

I'm not much of a UFO anything, much less a historian but, The
Hill Case, The Walton Case and the Allagash Four Case spring to
mind as good, solid cases. I'm sure there are others on the list
that know more about that than I do.

Here's hoping you get your 'proof' one day.  :)

Peace,

John

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