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From: Sue Strickland <strick@H2Net.net>
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:37:36 -0600
Fwd Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 02:35:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Santanic Abuse


>Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:39:19 +0100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse

>>Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 03:38:25 -0400
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse

>>>From: Roger Evans <moviestuff@cyberjunkie.com>
>>>Date: Thu, 01 Jul 1999 21:35:21 +0000
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse

Hi List Members, Hello Roger,

Thanks for responding to my little note. This is a real tome. If
you want to cut and chop, ebk, feel free. I sometimes offend
because I don't explain well...or I misinterpret someone else's
intent. My intent, as you guessed, Roger, was to share my
excitement about what logically appears to carry another piece
of this huge puzzle.  I don't have the answers. I'm just
thinking maybe Einstein, Maxwell and Hinton do!

>><snip> John Velez wrote:

>>>At that point the interpretation becomes a manifestation of individual
>>>denial and the act of someone who is being (subjectively)
>>>selective about _what_parts_ of any given testimony he or she is
>>>going to give credence to. I'll believe this part, but I won't
>>>believe that part because it doesn't fit into my personal world
>>>view. What is that?
>Roger wrote:

>>Hi, John.

>>"What is that?"

>>Well, to be quite frank, it's exactly what _you_ do. It's also
>>what I do. It's what anyone does with no facts or evidence or
>>proof regarding a given situation.

You all may be very well educated about the "mathematical
proofs" inherent in Einstein's, Maxwell's and Hinton's
theoretical equations. I sure wasn't. What the semetry of the
mathematical proofs suggests to me is an all encompassing
possibility (i.e., that the 4th dimension [time-space] is just
another plane, like the 2nd and 3rd dimensions).  It is simply
that we act and think as "flatlanders," if we were existing in
the 2nd dimension, that we have trouble visualizing another or
4th dimension. I think _maybe_ I can explain this concept via
Michio Kaku's book, HYPERSPACE, and the similes I can draw from
it with regard to our EBE and OBE experiences.

2nd Dimension:  Draw a square on a piece of paper.  A
"flatlander" living in the 2nd dimension can see and understand
everything only in the 2nd dimension.  That 4-sided square is
the "flatlander's" experiential proof that he exists and that
the square exists as he sees it.  He/she is not able to
visualize, see or draw a cube in 3 dimensions.

3rd Dimension:  In order for the "flatlander" to understand the
third dimension, he must hold something he can't see in his hand
(a cube), and then shine a light down onto the cube, so that the
shadow reflected onto the paper makes the shape of a 4-sided
square (in 2 dimensions).  He can see the square and understand
that whatever he is holding in his hand must exist (even though
he can't see it) because it casts the 4-sided shadow of a square
in 2 dimensions.  That's his experiential proof that the 3rd
dimension exists, that he is holding something solid in his
hand, even though he can't see it.

4th Dimension:  We can use mathematical proofs to determine that
the 4th dimension exists (like the shadow of the cube to form
the square on paper). We are limited by our perception, so have
trouble visualizing how to wrap up a 3-dimensional cube (as in
the form of a cross) to make 1 compact cube in the 4th
dimension.  But, we can draw the equivalent of that 4th
dimensional cube in 3 dimensions. Therefore, it is logical that
the 4th dimension exists, even if we can't see it, or feel it.

I don't know if there needs to be a dichotomy between the 3rd
and 4th dimension (space-time). _If_ there's a 4th dimension,
why not 10 dimensions? In fact, according to Michio Kaku, in his
book HYPERSPACE, that's how many some scientists think there
are!  So, the possibility of the existence of other dimensions,
in the same time frame as ours on a different plane, or other
dimensions on other time and space planes (like heaven or hell,
or all the other multitude of religious beliefs and faiths)
could fit right in. You don't have to be a "believer" or a
"debunker."  See?

As a matter of fact. My own out-of-body experience (being dead
for over 5 minutes) and coming back now indicates (to me) that I
was within the same time continuum, but on another plane or
dimension.  I remember watching everything that went on in the
emergency room, and had no trouble picking out and thanking the
emergency room tech who revived me, as well as the other nurses
and doctors, including what was said and by whom. Therefore, I
logically believe that I was experiencing proof of some other
dimension. This only happened 2-1/2 years ago.

Yes, it was "my" proof, but it also opened up the minds of some
of the nurses and doctors who witnessed the aftermath of the
event. It certainly changed my perspective on life/death. I was
convinced by my experience. I'm not afraid to die anymore. I'm
also enjoying the 3 dimensions I live in more! Was "my proof"
enough "proof" for _all_ those other doctors and nurses? I doubt
it. Like John Velez said, it's sometimes "hard to straddle the
fence line" especially when we _all_ want to see in 3
dimensions.  Even (and especially) us experiencers.

As far as being an "experiencer" vs. "abductee," a lot did
depend on what happened during the "visit."  Those visits
were/are certainly as "real" _to me_ as the OBE I had.
Unfortunately, _on most occasions_, there weren't and haven't
been any witnesses around to corroborate what happened during
the EBE's. And, that is one of the underlying reasons I don't
trust the beings. They seem to have another agenda, one that I
don't or can't understand. I'd like to believe it's benevolent.
But, I'm not a "new-age" believer. Too much "other," "bad" stuff
has happened in their company. Is that paranoid thinking? My
experience, my "proof" says not.

I have one very visible burn scar remaining on my right calf
that was checked by a burn specialist 2 days after the
occurrence. The burns went to the bone, and at the time it
occurred, I was screaming and crying. "They" quickly quelled the
pain with something that looked like a tire gauge (it did!), and
reassured me that though they would blister, I would be alright.
I have conscious recall of how, when, where I got the burns. I
can tell you, that in 1961, there was no government
experimenting on children in their bedrooms with 3-dimensional
laser-built transporters that could move into the 4th dimension
(through walls). We could barely get into orbit as I recall. Is
that enough "proof" for others? I don't know. It certainly is
for me. Pain is a great reality check. What I always _wanted_ to
believe were "bad dreams" suddenly became oh so real, fast, when
I was burnt accidentally!  That was the "last long visit." Think
they got worried? I do. There have been "check-up visits" but no
more on-going experiences.

Do I think these experiences, the EBE's and the OBE's people
(including myself) have had are real? Yes. Do I think they are
happening on the same dimensional plane? Nope. Do I have proof?
Not the kind we'd all like to have and hold in our hands. All I
have left is the "shadow," a burn scar.

I have taken numerous psychological tests and have come out "as
normal as blueberry pie." I don't even have an "overly active
imagination." Just a little higher IQ than some (although some
of my very best friends would debate both points). Yes, I'm a
lot scared when these visits occur. I never know what to expect.
I'm also exhilarated at times from what I learn (at the time).
Unfortunately, it's like reading a good book...you can remember
the plot but have trouble remembering the character's names.
That's another reason I don't trust these beings. You'd think
that with all their other-worldly knowledge, and their apparent
desire for us to learn, they'd let us at least remember what
"caca" they taught us!  Groan.  That's how to feel realllllly
inadequate.

This is a real tome. Sorry ebk. Hope I got this letter "right"
this time. I have a whole lot of trouble remembering to put in
transitions, etc. Thanks all for your patience, and whatever
understanding you could glean from this.  Read Michio Kaku's
book. It makes all I've said very clear.

Just try to keep an open mind. The fact that a lot of you are
"debunkers" is probably what will finally turn the tide, and we
will _find_ the "proof." Maybe, if we work reallllly hard, and
have some luck, a couple of you will be around when something
_does_ happen.  Oh, I sure hope so. But, I realllly don't want
anything bad to happen to anyone, and that scares me too.  It's
like being in a realllly bad traffic accident.  Just before you
crash, you pray, "Oh please God, don't let anyone else get
hurt."  Hugs, Sue S.