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From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 01:58:10 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 10:36:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #27 - 99


>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #27 - 99
>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 14:03:44 -0400
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>
>>From: George A. Filer <Majorstar@aol.com>
>>Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:27:41 EDT
>>Subject: Filer's Files #27
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>
>>30th MUFON CONFERENCE
>
>>Joe Firmage was the star of the MUFON Conference... Joe
>>Firmage is an exceptionally intelligent and extremely gifted
>>person who states matter of factly that he has been told by high
>>ranking government officials that extraterrestrials are visiting
>>us.  Only a few hundred persons are privy to this secret.
>>Unfortunately, he refused to reveal his sources.
>
>Why is anyone paying attention to Firmage? Why did MUFON give
>him podium space? We've heard this same drivel over and over
>again. It is no more credible from Firmage than from Adamski.
>
>What has Firmage done for Ufology? Name one case, name one
>solid research effort funded, name one insightful hard datum that
>he has contributed. So far, all he has done is focus more foolish
>press attention on the field (and on the goofier aspects of it,
>at that) than we've had since the Roswell anniversary.
>
>>Fortunately
>>for us the aliens seem reasonably friendly.  Joe believes it is
>>likely that intelligent life across the cosmos was able develop
>>a form of propulsion more advanced than jet turbines and
>>controlled firecrackers.  He states, "Our scientists need to
>>start thinking outside of the boundary conditions of 20th
>>century physics.  They have not fully explained the fundamentals
>>of the cosmos.  For example, did we evolve on Earth?  Joe feels,
>>random mechanical evolution cannot account for humans."
>
>How can this man be called intelligent if he doesn't even
>understand the most basic tenets of evolutionary theory, yet
>believes he is capable of scoffing at it? Anyone with a passing
>knowledge of evolutionary theory knows that random mechanical
>evolution is a contradiction in terms, and that the explanation
>of evolution relies on variation and cumulative selection.
>
>The quotes above may sound profound, but are just more drivel.
>"Believes it is likely"? On what basis, with what evidence?
>
>"Our scientists need to start thinking outside of the boundary
>conditions of 20th century physics"? What does this mean? It's
>the typical garbage produced by those with no real knowledge of
>contemporary science or how it works. Scientists are always
>pushing the frontiers, but it must be done in a disciplined
>fashion, not by running off and listening to our "feelings"
>(which apparently are the source for Firmage's less than
>profound knowledge of evolutionary theory).
>
>>Science has derived effective mathematical equations that describe
>>certain parts of nature, but most physicists know that the
>>fundamental of space-time has not been discerned."
>
>Another meaningless statement. What "fundamental"? Is Firmage
>about to claim that his "feelings" invalidate General and
>Special Relativity (which define the concept of space-time)?
>
>>The great
>>innovations of the next century will arise in this area.  His
>>talk explained that once extraterrestrial visitation is accepted
>>almost every thing on Earth will change.  Physics, discoveries
>>in biotechnology, nanotechnology, religion, national borders and
>>even economics face massive changes.
>
>Even if everyone developed this "faith" tomorrow, it wouldn't
>alter anything a whit. What would generate change would be
>actual physical proof of visitation or the derivation of new
>physical principals from an analysis of UFO data. But even then,
>why pick on biotechnology, nanotechnology and the jumble of
>other things thrown together here? If extraterrestrial
>visitation is occurring and is proven, the changes in sciences
>and technologies will be those caused either by direct transfer
>of information or principles derived from detailed observations,
>not from belief.
>
>>Joe is a great salesman and entrepreneur.  He held
>>the audience spell bound with a slick and insightful
>>presentation.
>Snip

Mark, Errol, Sean (as in Jones) and the rest of us best...

This is the second time today that I've been disappointed in two
of my favorite people... Sean and now Mark.  What has happened
to you guys?  And Mark, how is it that you can actually ask all
those questions about Fromage, when you know quite well, what
the answers are?   I KNOW you do.

Basically, if I understand your general querries, you are aksing
why it is that we believe this cheese person in light of the
fact that there has been nothing of "substance" put forth other
than his "belief" system. N'est pas, Msr. Cashman?

Well, the answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.  The answer
is blowing in the wind.  Not only is it blowing there, but it
blossoms, dearie, in your very name, Msr. CASHman....

To whit, Sir, anyone whose very expensive tires have been heard
squeeling as loud as that cheese upstart, is listened to with an
intensity greater than the Holy Word uttered by the Big Guy
Himself.  Money talks, Sir, and B.S. walks.  It is said.  It is
also said that when one has not a pot to make wee wee in, that
even the righteous words of such ones (those without a pot), are
B.S.

In other words, if you got it, made it and made it real big, you
got the Motts.  If you aint got it no matter how hard you tried
to get it, then the only thing you got is your word.  And your
word, sir, is about as good as the last bill you didn't pay, eh?

It the American way.  God bless America and all the ships at sea.

Jim