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From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:00:25 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 03:46:23 -0400
Subject: Re: UFOs And Law Enforcement Survey


 >From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
 >To: <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: UFOs And Law Enforcement Survey
 >Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:41:28 +0100

 >>From: Fred R. Saluga <FSaluga@aol.com>
 >>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 04:41:45 EDT
 >>Subject: UFOs And Law Enforcement Survey
 >>To: updates@globalserve.net

 >>I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself. My
 >>name is Fred R. Saluga. I am an ex-law enforcement officer and
 >>chief of police. I am presently employed with the State of
 >>Florida and I am a MUFON State Section Director and a Licensed
 >>Private Investigator in the State of Florida.

 >>I am presently conducting extensive research on UFOs and the Law
 >>Enforcement Response to the Phenomena and have developed a
 >>survey that I would like to be answered by persons involved in
 >>the UFO Community to get their views on this subject and law
 >>enforcement investigating UFOs in general. I would also
 >>appreciate if you could answer the  questions with you opinions
 >>and not just a yes an no answer.
 >
 >>The Survey is as follows:
 >
 >>A. A common complaint among UFO witnesses and others who have
 >>had some type of UFO encounter or experience is that their local
 >>police tend to be unresponsive to their claims and show an
 >>unwillingness to get involved in cases involving UFOs and
 >>related phenomena. Do you agree or disagree, please explain?

 >Commonly they do not get involved Although they often assist
 >serious investigations if you approach them rationally.

<snip>

Dear and gentle listfolk.... I submitted the following to Mr.
Saluga. The reason for showing it here, is to respectfully
demonstrate our irreconcilable differences, Jenny.  This
marriage is just not gonna work.  Have your lawyer call my
lawyer.  And where we agree, it's because you really do still
love me.  So go ahead and admit it and please, easy on the
alimony, eh?


 >A. A common complaint among UFO witnesses and others who have
 >had some type of UFO encounter or experience is that their local
 >police tend to be unresponsive to their claims and show an
 >unwillingness to get involved in cases involving UFOs and
 >related phenomena. Do you agree or disagree, please explain?

I agree, having had the opportunity of making reports to local,
county and state (of New York) police of my sighting (and
other's) of a huge triangular object in the Hudson Valley of
lower New York State (Westchester County) in September of 1998.
I subsequently determined that reports were not filed (my
telephone calls) as well as the calls of about 30 other
witnesses widely disbursed in the county.

 >B. In your opinion, should law enforcement take a more active
 >role in the investigation of UFOs and UFO related incidents?
 >Please explain.

Of course.  And I would respectfully submit, that the more local
the law enforcement agency doing the investigation, the less
trust by the masses of citizenry, however the plus side is that
these local agencies are the farthest removed from Federal
jurisdiction.  In light of the smoke of conspiracy, even if it
is swamp smoke, this might be essential to overall
trustworthiness of the investigation.  (Sort of a catch 22, JSM)

 >C. Have you ever consulted or been consulted by a law
 >enforcement officer or law enforcement agency on a UFO related
 >incident? Please explain and also how were you treated?

Yes, without respect for either me or the facts.  And I am
retired, and a member of the FOP, Memorial Lodge 100, NY State
Police Auxiliary and NY State Police Alumni, Shields, NYS COP,
and other orgs.  Imagine someone NOT having been on the job,
making the same report!  (Note: I have been a consultant to Law
Enforcement for more than 20 years and an auxiliary officer in
NYC and the State of NY, JSM)

 >D. Do you have knowledge of a law enforcement officer or law
 >enforcement agency that has investigated an UFO incident and
 >filed an official law enforcement report on the incident?

None!  Never. Twenty years!

 >E. In your opinion, what types of investigations do you feel
 >that law enforcement should investiate in regards to UFOs and
 >UFO incidents? Also, what types of evidence do you fill that law
 >enforcement should collect in regards to the investigation of
 >UFO incidents?

Any incidents with multiple witnesses should be investigated,
and especially those involving incidents in multiple
jurisdictions in given nearby county and state areas.

Any evidence extant should be collected.  Evidence includes the
testimony of credible witnesses.  Although hard evidence is rare
or otherwise non existent, often testimony alone, which is
corroborated, is (sic, should be) sufficient.  Evidence may
include images taken (photographs, Videos, etc.) of the object
or impressions made (ostensibly) by the object. Anecdotal
evidence which can be corroborated should be considered
evidence, as it usually is in a court of law.  Except maybe in
cases involving ex-football players or other wealthy male
persons who may have knocked off their wives.

Further, appropriate levels of trust and cooperation should and
must be developed between local law enforcement at least to the
county and/or sheriff's levels, and the State MUFON or similar
civilian group conducting research.  Since law enforcement is
often suffering from insufficient staff or other resources, the
actual research and data management may be done by the civilian
group with whom there exists a growing relationship.  Sharing of
data by both groups should be ongoing.  Analysis of data and
concurrent conclusions must be supported by law enforcement and
the civilian agency.

 >F. In your opinion, should law enforcement set up a national
 >data base to identify, collect, and document information
 >pertaining to UFOs such as: size, shape, color, frequency of
 >sightings, abductions, and all other incidents relating to UFOs
 >and UFO incidents?

Yes

 >G. In your opinion, do you feel that UFO related incidents could
 >pose a threat to the law enforcement community. If so, please
 >explain?

Not likely.  Not in terms of an actual physical threat.  The
only possible threat may be to credibility, and this can be
easily managed. (Note: Much of my work has been in creative
image management and/or creating new images - i.e., turnaround
and startup.  JSM)

 >H. In your opinion, do you feel that law enforcement should
 >establish a national crime lab to work with other investigators
 >to advocate the use of crime scene techniques and the collection
 >of forensic evidence in the investigation of UFO incidents?

Yes.. but this is something which will NOT happen until they
land here... it is not realistic, neither is my answer to the last
question.  However, you are ASKING for our opinions.

 >I. In your opinion, why are law enforcement officers reluctant
 >to express their views on UFOs and UFO related incidents?

1) It may adversely affect their career advancement
2) It may reflect negatively on their psychological profile
3) Fear, whether real or imagined, of ridicule is the order of
    the day.

 >J. In your opinion, do you feel that local law enforcement
 >would participate in a cover-up, if so ordered to do so by the
 >federal government?

Absolutely.... yes