From: Ed Stewart <ufoindex@jps.net>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:29:17 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:44:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Sheffield UFO Incident 2?
>From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Sheffield UFO Incident 2?
>Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:57:04 -0300
>>Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:14:34 +0000
>>From: dave bowden <dave.bowden@cableinet.co.uk>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: Sheffield UFO Incident 2?
>>>From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>Subject: Re: Sheffield UFO Incident 2?
>>>Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:18:02 -0300
>>>A.Some facts:
>>>l. 20% of 3201 sightings investigated by Battelle Memorial
>>>Institute as reported in Project Blue Book Special Report 14
>>>could NOT be identified and were separate from the 10% for which
>>>there was insufficient Information.
Fact: There was insufficient information to identify _not one
report_ as an extraterretrial spacecraft, yet we are led to
believe by Stanton Friedman that PBBSR 14 statistically supports
his notion that "some" UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Also, what Stanton Friedman, as well as others that like to
mention BBSR 14 as supportive of their notions, neglects to
always tell his audience is that the Battelle Memorial study
only read the reports given it by the Air Force. Battelle never
conducted any investigation --- they simply tried to interpret
whatever pieces of papers (reports) they got from the Air Force.
They _never investigated_ the actual reports for the validity of
the anecdotal information provided in them and therefore could
never pass judgement as to the accuracy of the anectotal
documentation contained in the reports. As a consequence,
reports containing anecdotal mis-observations, anecdotal
mis-quotations/mis-identifications, conflicting anecdotal
observations, etc. would of necessity be included in the so much
quoted "10% unknown" category because they were not identifiable
to a specific category, i.e. balloons, etc. and did in fact
contain unverified anecdotal evidence that the actual report
could not be identified to a specific cause, i.e. balloons, etc.
>>After reading your percentages I would be interested to know
>>what your percentage is for confirmed alien contact.
>>There is a serious semantic difficulty here. I have no idea
>>whatis meant here by "confirmed alien contact" or why it would
>>be required.
Stanton Friedman all of a sudden seems to have difficulty in
answering a simple question. I will provide Dave Bowden an
answer backed-up by statistical evidence which is verifiable by
anyone so wishing to do so. I compiled the comprehensive indexes
to the FLYING SAUCER REVIEW from 1955-1994 and the combined
MUFON UFO JOURNAL/SKYLOOK from 1967-1996. During that time there
were 6,859 articles and entries in FSR/FSR Case Histories/FSR
Special Issues and 9,231 articles and entries in the
SKYLOOK/MUFON Journal/MUFON Proceedings --- all are cross
indexed by author, subject category, volume and issue, providing
the reader/researcher with over 48,000 entries.
These 16,090 articles and reports are representative of the best
ufological research and reporting of the UFO phenomenon over the
past five decades. The percentage for confirmed alien contact is
_zero_. Stanton Friedman calls it "a serious semantic
difficulty". When asked to produce a single case Friedman, as
well as others holding similar viewpoints, refuse to do so
stating that the evidence that some UFOs are extraterrestrial
spacecraft is in the aggregate, not in any single case.
Yet, the 16,090 MUFON and FSR articles that have reported on
ufological cases, offered here as evidence in the aggregate,
fail to substantiate Friedman's contention and belief that "some
UFOs" are extraterrestrial spacecraft. Instead, they are
introduced here as compelling evidence that the percentage of
"confirmed alien contact" in the published UFO literature as of
today is _zero_!
<snip>
>This is frankly silly. The BBSR 14 definition of 'unknown' "was
>assigned to those reports of sightings wherein the description
>of the object and its maneuvers could not be fitted to the
>pattern of any known object or phenomenon". There was no
>category for ET spacecraft.
Since there was no investigation by Battelle for the accuracy
and veracity of the reports, the anecdotal information had to be
taken literally. That would included any misquotes,
mis-reporting, mis-identifications, and conflicting anecdotes.
Difficult of the job as it was, the Battelle staff were still
able to categorise all the reports but a mere 10%.
<snip>
>As I noted in TOP SECRET/MAJIC and in a number of papers, Carl
>Sagan has said many foolish and unscientific things about flying
>saucers.
As I have documented in the past on this very same mailing list,
Friedman's _Top Secret/Majic_ is riddled with errors, historical
innacuracies, misrepresentation of people's quotes and
positions, faulty logic, and unsupported substantiations in the
presentation of his beliefs. The above is a matter or record.
Check the archival record of this mailing list for past
discussions on MJ-12 for specific examples.
>>>Could you please tell us if you personally believe at anytime
>>>in the last 25yrs or perhaps beyond that there has been at
>>>least one visit to this planet by any form of Extraterrestrial
>>>craft?
>>That is a very good question and since there are so many
>>'ufologists' out there maybe one kind soul could answer that
>>(what I perceive to be) simple question.
>I answered it in my posting. I believe the evidence is
>overwhelming that Planet Earth is being visited by
intelligently >controlled ET spacecraft:Some so-called UFOs are
alien vehicles. >I should think that is very straight forward
and unambiguous.
>Stan Friedman
Unfortunately, it is not supported by anything ever published in
the FSR and MUFON literature which I have indexed and made those
indexes available. I am also in the process of indexing the
NICAP, APRO, and CIS literature to be available in the next
century. Overwhelming evidence for extraterrestrial spacecraft
has yet to show up, contrary to Stanton Friedman's contention
and positional statements on his world-wide tours.
Ed Stewart
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