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From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 03:40:39 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:03:01 -0400
Subject: Re: P-47: The Stupidity Within Ufology


 >Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:28:27 -0400
 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
 >Subject: Re: P-47: The Stupidity Within Ufology
 >To: updates@globalserve.net

 >>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:50:54 -0600
 >>From: Wendy Connors <ProjectSign@EMAIL.MSN.COM>
 >>Subject: The Stupidity within Ufology
 >>To: PROJECT-1947@LISTSERV.AOL.COM


<snip>

 >>About a week ago I released to the Project 1947 List and the
 >>Current-Encounters List the news that a tape that had been
 >>"lost" for over 30 years had been located. It was an excessively
 >>important tape because it contained the actual voice and ideas
 >>of Colonel Howard M. McCoy, former Commanding General of T-2
 >>Technical Intelligence at Wright Field in 1947 and the man who
 >>was the final decision maker about Project SIGN. SIGN being the
 >>first official investigation of UFOs by the new USAF.

<snip>

 >>I went right to work to make a full clip
 >>of what McCoy had said in Isabel Davis's home way back in 1966,
 >>grateful for the expertise and assistance of Dick Hall.

 >>Col. McCoy, after retirement was a member of NICAP and attended
 >>many of the NICAP meetings and functions. During that day in
 >>1966 he finally spoke out and being the consumate military man,
 >>as well as a man honed in military intelligence and engineering,
 >>he chose his words carefully. He spoke his thoughts on alien
 >>visitation. At first listening it sounded like general
 >>discussion, but I listened to him dozens of times before I
 >>realized he was saying a lot more than just general discussion
 >>with a group of people in that apartment. I came to this
 >>conclusion based upon historical acumen by spending many years
 >>in search of the factual history of Project SIGN.

 >>What went through my mind was astounding to me. Here was a man
 >>who believed in the expertise of his own men and his own
 >>investigations to have the intestinal fortitude to forward a T-2
 >>Technical Intelligence Estimate of the Situation to the highest
 >>levels of command with a conclusion based on hard investigation
 >>under extreme shortages of manpower and monetary budget that the
 >>only logical answer to the flying disc phenomenon was that they
 >>were probably from outer space, under intelligent control and
 >>nothing else at the time made any better sense. Well, Col. McCoy
 >>suffered a great deal for his action, as did many of his people
 >>who were friends and colleauges. He lost his chance at promotion
 >>to Brig. Gen., yet his own accomplishments during his career
 >>where without question outstanding and of the highest calibur.
 >>Now he sat in an apartment in Washington D.C. and listened to
 >>other NICAP members discuss many topics. He finally opened up
 >>and gave his "thoughts" regarding the topic of the possibility
 >>of alien visitation.

 >>McCoy wasn't discussing just anything. He was giving an inside
 >>look at his thinking and the thinking of the Project SIGN group
 >>and their conclusions. He was saying in effect, that aliens
 >>walked among us. He was certainly in a position to know many
 >>things and had done more analysis and investigation than any
 >>other military group to follow, so to take his thoughts lightly
 >>didn't make sense to me. To me, he was telling a great deal
 >>more. Now, I don't know if aliens walk among us; I don't think
 >>anyone really knows that, but the fact that he had reached the
 >>conclusion as to it's being possible is absolutely astounding
 >>and of the greatest historical importance. It's the closest
 >>we've ever come in Ufology to at least a military man discussing
 >>it.

 >Wendy,

 >I don't recall seeing a message about a McCoy tape on the UFO
 >UpDates list. I don't check into the Project Sign site often. I
 >will certainly read the transcript on the Sign list.

Bruce,

Wendy was kind enough to respond to an inquiry from me and
furnish a transcript of Col. McCoy's remarks. Following is a copy.

Regards,

Pat McCartney

-----

"Let me ask something. I've listened to all this. My ideas and
this...I've got a military background [someone says, "yes" to
this at that point]. I was in intelligence for a long time. Very
high up. I was in the war. Now, it is logical thinking -- not
just military thinking, but logical thinking and you people are
thinking quite a bit, but I mean I want to put this particular
thought in.

There was never a successful military occupation or adventure
ever made recently, or even in the days of Alexander the Great,
where prior to the invasion... prior to the mass landing there
were not agents sent ahead. This is standard practice. Agents.
Now in Germany we and the British inserted American and we
inserted British... looked like the Germans and spoke their
language. In Japan we inserted... we had enough Nisei and
inserted them into Japan, but we had agents in their countries
exactly like we have agents in the Iron Curtain.

Now, the main purpose of these people are to be exactly like the
natives as possible. Now, everybody here says, 'well, these
Contactees stories' and everything else are ridiculous... and
yet the facts of life... facts of military life... the facts of
cultural logic and especially since 'they' have not been hostile
dictates... almost dictates the fact that there would be,
especially with your remarks that they have seen all these
humanoids -- these humanoids are from respectable cases that you
believe in -- if they are humanoid there can be humanoids picked
out... since the range in size, shape and color is... covers
almost the entire spectrum... it almost dictates that there
would be... lets say agents of the space people, wherever they
come from, living among us at the present time and having been
here for the last hundred years. This is standard.

I'm merely stating the fact that common sense dictates the fact,
especially with the story that emerged from your analysis,
Doctor, and that they first came in for general geographical
survey...it has gotten more and more intense... it, its has
narrowed down into more and more civilized..."