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From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 17:03:18 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 22:25:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake


>Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,
>From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
>Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake

>Thanks for listing them, Tony. I suppose if there were as many
>as 500 such reports, they would still be dismissed as anecdotal,
>for the same reason that several hundred thousand screened UFO
>reports are treated the same way by negative skeptics. But it
>would be interesting to interview these four persons and form
>one's own opinion as to their sincerity and character.

Do you have the full details of what these eyewitnesses actually
claim to have seen? If so, I'd like to view their accounts and
details of the alleged formations that were created.

>But at least Terence Meaden thought these witnesses' reports were
>worth noting, which is more than most anti-UFO advocates would do.

I have noted it also but a few names, dates and vague areas
doesn't constitute worthwhile testimony. Where are the full
accounts of what these people saw?

>For the same reason that hoaxed crop circles in oil-seed rape
>are extremely rare. That thick-stemmed crop consists of quite
>bushy plants that are rather unmanageable when you get in there
>with your boards and all. I suppose someone has tried to make a
>crop circle in it, but if so, they must have left quite a mess
>of broken and irregularly tangled stems.

Firstly, you seem to be implying here that I have a set of
boards, just because I believe that circles are man made doesn't
make me a circle maker. You believe some formations are UFO
created, that doesn't make you an alien <g>

Secondly, have you actually tried to create a circle in oil-seed
to test your theory? From what I've learned, crop is cushoned by
other crop when flattening, which shelters an extremely large
percentage of stems from being broken. Some apparently are
broken, but barring checking every single stem a cerealogist
wouldn't obviously see them. You mentioned 'Circular Evidence'
before, Colin Andrews explained how crop can not be flattened
using string across the radius as the pressure is too great, so
we have evidence that what the circle makers say is likely to be
correct.

Thirdly, what of the alleged tell tale signs that a circle is genuine
can be found in the oil-seed formations, i.e. exploded nodes, etc. ?

>Do you mean, Why did the formations evolve from circles and
>formations of circles to much more complex patterns?

I didn't actually, I meant why the vortex theory, ley line
theory, eti theory, none can be hoaxed, some can be hoaxed, most
can be hoaxed, only the true geometric formations are genuine,
those which aren't are significant etc. etc. It seems that each
time the cerealogists are caught out they come back with an
alternative theory which claims a mystery. Doesn't it seem that
they are literally clutching at straws to make a mystery out of
something that is purely man made?

>their strategy could be similar relative to crop circles -- to give
>the skeptics the option of not being forced to believe in the
>reality of what they would prefer to ignore.

The circle makers have disclosed for years how they make crop
circles, perhaps it's the believers that UFOs are connected are
the ones who prefer to ignore the reality of the circles?

Tony