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From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:20:55 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 17:50:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes


Regarding:

>Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 19:31:28 -0500
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
>Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes

Dennis wrote:

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>>Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes
>>Date: Sat, 05 Jun 99 11:49:54 PDT

>Actually you can find another case in the Arnold article already
>cited, pp. 27-8, of the Proceedings of the First International
>UFO Congress.It precedes Arnold's own remarks quoted here
>earlier, but snipped this time.

>I find it highly unlikely that Boeing would fly one of its test
>planes over Mexico, but that's what Arnold relates. I also find
>it highly unlikely that Boeing had a test (or any other) plane
>capable of 1500 mph and 67,000 feet altitude, but, again, that's
>the way Arnold has it. The last time I looked, Boeing was in the
>business of building big, slow passenger planes.

>Does anyone know if they ever did any high-speed design test
>planes for the military? I know they did the B-47 and the B-52,
>but after that they went commercial.

>Arnold doesn't give a date for the episode.


Dennis,

I asked Camille (see the last Voyager newsletter), our resident
Boeing expert about this and she replies:

"Give me a time window for the Boeing reference, so I know
roughly when I'm looking for.

Most people are not aware of how much military work Boeing was
involved with; production line gets publicized, custom work
doesn't, especially if it is classified. I suspect that the
reference to Mexico is one of two relentlessly usual mistakes;
either the location was New Mexico (You would not believe how
often this gets scrambled!) home of White Sands, Los Alamos etc
etc etc, OR it was over the Gulf of Mexico either by intent or
accident. Boeing had something that looks like Stealth on the
drawing boards prior to 1968 : that's certainly 'high speed test
design'.

During WWII & on into the Cold War, Boeing co-produced (that's
almost the right term) projects with the other major aircraft
companies, for the military. I believe this was the case with
much of the missile work during the Cold War. Some of the
missile R&D investigated how much wing you needed or could have
(I'm doing this from memory, not quoting the notebooks), which
could explain the '1500mph/67,000 ft' reference to an airplane
shaped object. How was the airspeed arrived at? Who recorded the
altitude, & with what?

Either probable location, New Mexico or over water, increases
the room for error in both those measurements or estimates".


Is there any information that can be added?

As an aside, is the "Proceedings of the First International UFO
Congress" available on-line, or could someone maybe e-mail a
copy of the Kenneth Arnold material to me?


Appreciating that Camille lived in Dallas, I mentioned that the
query came from your good self, a fellow 'Texan'.

She replied, "By the way, Dallas, where I live, is in Oregon,
not Texas".

The hell was I supposed to know that.

California, Arizona, Canada, Montana... too many States for us
Brits.


James.
E-mail: voyager@ukonline.co.uk