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From: Tony Spurrier <TSpurrier@compuserve.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:22:18 -0400 Fwd Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:19:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:05:09 -0700 (PDT) >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>, >From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com> >Subject: Re: Crop Circle Characteristics - 'Real' vs. Fake >Well, like Clinton, I would need to know what you mean by >"present." They have of course already presented themselves to >thousands of abductees and to the legitimate contactees. But >they've left only meager evidence behind. So perhaps what you >mean is, will they do so (in August), this time leaving all >kinds of irrefutable evidence behind? I doubt it; their >escalation in degree of firmness and abundance of evidence seems >to be growing only gradually over the years. Jim I wasn't making a statement, I was asking what you thought of the eclipse type designs and your interpretation of them. >No, I don't know Doug and Dave's address. Do you really think Doug and Dave were the only one's who made crop circles? >I do know that one usually receives only silence or a change >of subject upon posing the question to skeptics. I wasn't referring to sceptics in general I was talking about those that opening admit to making circles. >So I'll stay tuned for any idea you >put forth on how it could be feasibly accomplished for a circle >as large as 57 feet in diameter. It was probably no accident >that the upper-layer circle of swirled stems did not entirely >cover the under layer at the circumference -- if they had, the >lower lower might not have been discovered. Looking at the diagram it looks as though the crop was flattened from the centre spiralling out and then back to the middle and so on. Continue that until all the crop was flattened and you'd end up with the effect of layering described in the book. As the crop was packed down and serrated at the edges it's possible it was done with a roller rather than boards. >I would not assume that the tests haven't been made by Levingood >on stems from oil-seed rape crop circles. Why do you think that is? >No, I didn't see that. I was referring to certain crop-circle >reports wherein the stems within a given formation were all bent >over at the *same* approximate height, like 1" or 2" or 4" above >the ground, as opposed to the usual 1/4" or so, which trampling >on it can try to simulate. Have you got the details of the formation/s where the crop is all flattened at 4" above the ground? >I was referring to those hundreds of crop circles over the years that >have been astounding in their size, complexity, creative design, >bending-over of the stems with minimal breakage, and other >features such as braiding. I agree, the human circle makers can really create some fantastic designs and effects. >Their makers were never caught, whereas common sense dictates >that if humans had done them, a substantial percentage would >have been caught in the act, and/or have left tell-tale signs >behind. Not really, once in the dark your eyes adjust pretty quickly, particularly when there aren't any light sources around the affect the pupils. In the dark circle makers are probably undetectable 200 foot or so into the crop, now given that Wiltshire is a pretty large county the odds really are in their favour. Tony
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