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From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 05:43:01 -0700
Fwd Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:45:31 -0400
Subject: Re: US Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon


>From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:22:00 +0200 (MET DST)
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: US Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon

>>Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 22:46:53 -0700
>>From: Josh Goldstein <clearlt@pacbell.net>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: US Congress, NSA butt heads over Echelon

>>Due to the 13 Echelon Sattelites covering all sectors of the
>>globe, no electronic communications can evade monitoring.

>Hi Josh,

>How do you know there are 13 of these satellites and what other
>specific information do you have that has not been reported in
>the press?



Well Henny, I think you'll need to ask the Discovery Channel as
that was reported on their show. I vageuly remember it may have
involved the former SCE employee.

To further spice up the stew, that show also stated and
visualized (with interviews) that during the height of the
Chechen - Russian War the leader of the Chechens was talking on
his cellphone exploring peace possibilities Now he knew that the
Russian Electronic listening forces had tracking equipment that
would nab him if he stayed on the phone longer than five
minutes. They had repeatedly tried to lock in on him but there
was a lot of pressure on Russia to quickly and strongly settle
this war rather than let it drag on. Yeltsin had to do something
to make him look good. So the US co-operated and used their
better system to guide a missile right into his cellphone just
after he was on the phone for 30 seconds. We helped Yeltsin to
look good and victorious. So said a high level expert on the
Discovery show.


No, I don't run a conspiracy theory chat line but I'm simply
restating a juicy part of the Discovery show. I told you about
the domestic intelligence inter-nation trade policy and here is
an intelligence and technology gift offered for this purpose: to
assasinate the leader of of the Chechnya nation. Thanks to the
help of the U.S they finally eliminated him. From Discovery to
you. That juicy tidbit above was a total surprise to me.

Now after all these years of feeding my passion to know more
about UFOs and aliens I must confess to this list a deep secret
I never divulged to another person in the UFO world. I was a
teenage UFO delinquent! I must absolve my sin and confess to my
fellow ufonauts on this list.

In 1960 at the age of 14 I joined the Civil Air Patrol to
enhance my love of airplanes and hopes to be a pilot. At some
point in the future we were doing a weekend encampment at our
airfield in the country - a 2300ft. grass strip and we stayed in
a tent. No adults were there.  Someone that night got the idea
(hope it wasn't me) of going out to the road en masse. At least
a dozen or so cadets dressed in Air Force fatigues with dummy
rifles and Air Force caps. We decided to stand on both sides of
the road with flashlights and stop cars as they came. We pointed
rifles and checked IDs after men stood across the road in front
of the car. We told them that the area had been blocked off due
to the crash of a UFO and we interviewed them, asking if they
had seen anything. When they were totally befuddled we had them
turn around and take the long way we instructed them to follow.
I really can't remember what I knew about UFO crashes in 1960
but I sure had an active interest. Was I the culprit? I can't
remember.

Suddenly a flashing red light was aproaching and it was a police
car. They had suddenly started getting tons of calls at the
station from people we had stopped at the roadblocks. It was the
talk of the town. Crashed flying saucer out near the airport. We
quckly made a beeline to our tent and into our sleeping bags,
pretending to sleep. When the cops came to the tent we could not
hide from them. They knew it was us. I suppose then the senior
CAP adults pulled up and shared with us many pieces of their
minds about our crashed saucer hoaxing. In the long run I was a
good cadet and two years later I was awarded a scholarship for
flying lessons. A super cub on a grass strip.

The discussion of the Kenneth Arnold sighting got me remembering
learning to navigate by dead reckoning. You'd better reckon your
course and speed right or you may end up dead. Reckon or maybe
dead. Those were the days. When I flew in Vietnam I used live
reckoning. <g>

The last straw: flying reflective geese at a high altitude with
a supersonic tailwind ocurring only in their sector due to being
downwind from the mountains.