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From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:27:36 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 07:41:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Mad Max: Beyond the Blunderdome


>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Mad Max: Beyond the Blunderdome
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:57:02 +0100

>>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 14:50:36 EDT
>>Subject: Re: Mad Max: Beyond the Blunderdome
>>To: updates@globalserve.net

>>>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
>>>To: UFO Updates
>>>Subject: Re: Mad Max: Beyond the Blunderdome
>>>Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:45:43 +0100

>>>Thanks for all the messages that flooded in over the weekend. To
>>>be honest I had not even noticed that UFO UpDates was on the cc
>>>list of the original Robert Moore and I thought I was only
>>>talking to a few UK UFOlogists. I was quite surprised to see my
>>>'spoof' went global. But no matter, it was an interesting
>>>exercise.

>>>Let me qualify 'spoof'. This was not really trickery. Rather it
>>>was a deliberate exercise in taking an idea to its natural
>>>extreme. Many people in the UK have been furious over the Max
>>>Burns lecture saying BUFORA lost the plot by inviting him. THere
>>>were demands for mass walk outs over the issue.

>>Boy, did you put one over on us.  Whew! We _all_ thought you
>>were serious. What a bunch of maroons we are!

>>However, I do understand how this can happen. On more than one
>>occasion, I have attempted, thru hummers, uh, thru HUMOR, to
>>yell at somebody or other for saying something which I
>>originally thought was out of line while in reality, I was out
>>of line all along.

>>Just one last question, and I do not expect you to answer it as
>>I am without portfolio, have not published anything (on UFOs)
>>and am not a recognized researcher... nor am I an unrecognized
>>researcher.  Having said all that, I expect nothing from anyone,
>>except either a chuckle, or a chuckle and some personal
>>recognition that the offendee, not the offender (that'd be me)
>>got the message. So my question is, based on your more recent
>>admission that you were merely joshing, my question is, Dear Ms.
>>Offendee, what is the temperature of the sand?

>>Jim Gesundt & Jaime Mortellaro, UFO Research without portfolio
>>but a lot of Moxie... we mix it with our Gripple and rhubarb
>>wine.

>Hi,

>Er never very hot in Britain, if thats what you meant. Our
>summers and winters tend to blend into one season known
>colloquially as 'by eck its nippy' (see 'Northern dialect phrase
>book' by E By Gum  for translation)

>I have been quite amazed as a newcomer to this net thing (only
>six or seven weeks of it - seems like forever, but no matter)
>how what starts as a nice discussion degenerates rapidly into a
>brawl. Why? Can't we argue facts and theories minus
>personalities and accept other peoples views? I can.

>The asrgument about Budd Hopkins is nothing to do with him as a
>man nor with his sincerity - both of which are above reproach as
>far as I have seen. It has all to do with the position he adopts
>on  the evidence and, because he is so admired, the effect that
>has generally on the UFO community. He is, absolutely, entitled
>to hold his views and stand his corner defending them. But he
>has to appreciate that what he says is regarded very seriously
>by thousands of people simply because of who he is. For that
>reason people who have influence must be willing to have their
>views debated. But we must also do that in a civilised fashion,
>accepting that they can be right and we can be wrong.

>The very same thing applies to Nick Pope - the MoD man in the
>UK. I like him too, but because he is taken so seriously by so
>many people he has to consider carefully what he does and says
>because many will perceive that as an endorsement. As such I was
>not happy with his decision to tell the story of the Florida
>tollbooth abduction without giving his readers a proper insight
>into the matter. But my being willing to answer questions on the
>issue to the London Times earlier this year (after much soul
>searching, three years of pleading with Nick to  do it himself
>and when they asked me - rather than me approach them) had
>nothing to do with my wanting to get at Nick. Far from it. In
>fact it was all about doing the right thing by UFOlogy. We all
>have a right to do what we believe in, just as we all have a
>right to dispute those who feel differently. But this has to be
>done with compassion and moderation - not as cat calling and
>personal abuse.

>Seems easy enough to me.

>My response, by the way, was less a joke than an attempt to push
>an idea to a logical conclusion and see how people liked where
>we then were. This is known to science as developing an
>experimental model and its an acceptable way of trying things
>out without actually blowing up the planet in the course of ones
>mistakes.

>Best wishes,

>Jenny Randles


Dear and gentle.... ah, dear List Folk....

I've left the post intact because the response should be short.
Now how was I to know, since your post did not carry a header
with an "S" in it, that it was from Brobdignag?  Say, where is
Brobdignag anyway?  Just east of Lilliput?

However, and having said that ...  _MY_ post was not headed with
a large, upper cased "S" needer.  But then, this type of humor is
expected from us Colonials.  As for Nick... I was under the
impression he was Greek and made book.

Shorty Morty