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From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:47:43 EDT
Fwd Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 08:36:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes


>From: Mark Cashman <mcashman@ix.netcom.com>
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:35:26 -0400
>Fwd Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:32:49 -0400
>Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes

>>Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:52:03 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
>>Subject: Re: Voyager Newsletter, Mogul Parchment Parachutes

>>Try whipping your cowling tool out of your pocket (while in
>>flight) and making two comparisons with two distant objects in
>>two different directions while manually rolling down your left
>>window and turning your "trimmed" plane south, and then tell me
>>if you can do all the above in a 1947 airplane within two
>>minutes' time or less. I don't think so.

>There are a number of unwarranted assumptions in this.

>1) That the cowling tool was difficult to access. But it is not
>a pipe wrench. It is more a thing the size of a pen and was
>probably carried in his shirt pocket. Thus it is easy to access
>within a fraction of a second. The comparison, likewise, would
>probably take under two seconds between the objects and the DC4.
>Try it at home.


Well, we're a long way from Mogul parchment parachutes.

I just want to add one further point to Mark's excellent reply.
Arnold reported the DC4 was visible to his north, enroute to
Seattle.  He spotted it at the _beginning_ of his sighting while
he was looking around for aircraft in his vicinity that might
explain the flashes of light.

Arnold was headed east at the time.  The unknown objects were
easterly or northeasterly.  So Arnold would have seen the DC4 to
his left out the pilot's side window and the unknowns either
through his side window or left windshield.

Therefore, Arnold obviously would have made any size comparison
with his cowling tool BEFORE he turned right and headed south.
Once he began his turn he would lose sight of the DC4 to his
left.  After his turn, it would be in back of him.

From other parts of Arnold's report, it seems he observed these
objects for a good minute or more before turning.  It certainly
was not a case where Arnold was trying to do everything at once
while turning the plane.

Furthermore, since the DC4 and objects were initially both
leftish of Arnold, it wouldn't take much shifting of the tool
and Arnold's head to sight one and then the other to make a
comparison.  It could have been done relatively quickly.  How
accurately is another matter.

Such points would be blatantly obvious if the skeptics here
would learn how to read and apply a little simple logic.  What I
see instead is a lot of intellectual sloth, stupidity, and
dishonesty, and/or typical kneejerk naysaying just for the hell
of it.

More skeptical hay could be gathered by _intelligently_
questioning the accuracy of Arnold's size comparison or his
estimate of DC4 distance.  I can see Arnold conceivably being
off by a factor of 2 to 1 one way or the other in estimating
relative angular size.  It would have been a difficult detection
task.  Arnold would have been close to the limits of visual
acuity and would  have had to deal with other factors like
engine vibration and rapid object motion.  So it was a rough
comparison, sort of like holding out a finger at arms length to
try to gauge the angular size of something in the distance.
That at least allows you to bracket the size with reasonable
estimates of possible error.

David Rudiak